The Central Hub for DSM Community and Information

For 1990-1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser, and Galant VR-4 Owners. This is where the DSM platform history is documented and archived. Log in to help us in our mission, and to remove most ads from the browsing experience.

newbie mistakes in descriptions etc. A newbie must read.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

pauleyman

DSM Wiseman
11,466
5,345
Nov 19, 2011
oklahoma city, Oklahoma
After 22 years of these cars on the street there is still so much misinformation out there I want to share these things with the newbies because we still see it too often.

I may interject some opinion here but cut me a little slack after wrenching on them for 20 years.
That being said here we go

1. There are no AWD or FWD turbo clutches. They are the same.
2. There are no 1g and 2g turbo clutches. They are all the same.
3. There are no 1g and 2g flywheels. They are 6 bolt or 7 bolt, awd or FWD. Do the math that makes 4 possibilities.
4. Model year and build date are not the same thing. If you have a car buildt in Feb 1994 it is not a 1994 car. It is a 1995 MODEL car with a 1994 BUILD date. This can play a very big role when looking for the proper part on ANY system in the car.
5. There is no 21 spline awd transmission. There are 22 spline and 23 spline and this refers to the output that goes to the tase. It has nothing to do with the input splines where the clutch goes. Those splines are all the same.
6. When doing a timing belt all marks must line up including the phase of the balance shafts if you still have them. Rotate the motor after the belt is on, line up the marks again and check the prottrusion of the tensioner. It is either in spec or it isn't. There is no other way to check it. It is stupid stupid stupid ridiculous that we see posts nearly every single day about a timing belt install going wrong. After this amount of time, the number of good writeups etc there is absolutely no reason for it. It doesn't matter what you do, the last item of checking the tensioner holds true no matter what. This is my personal number one pet peeve.


Others care to add to this list?
 
Get yourself a copy of the real factory manuals for your year car. Then you won't have to ask what the torque spec is, or what color wire is it.

We don't have lifters, they are lash adjusters.
Fuel cut is caused by too much air being metered, not by running out of fuel.
 
so i just bought a 91 eagle talon n/t fwd, the guy recently swaped the transmission it has a 6 bolt engine and the new transmission is a 7 bolt, i know i should get a bigger flywheel for it to line up with the starter but im confused people tell me that i should buy a new clutch kit as well will i need a clutch kit for a 7 bolt if i but in the bigger flywheel? by the way it is set up for a turbo but has not yet had a turbo installed so if anyone can clarify any one this for me that would be great. :confused:
 
Ok there is another one. There is no 6 bolt or 7 bolt transmission. There is FWD, AWD, 2g and 1g. NT is completely different and all are FWD of course. NT tranny takes an NT flywheel and clutch. Flywheel will be either 6 bolt or 7 bolt. Please go make another thread.

If the guy put a F5m33 tranny in it that's a turbo tranny. As such it would require a matching start plate, clutch and flywheel. What we need to know is what model tranny. Start a new thread.
 
Here is one to add. If you have a ? About anything with these cars PLEASE search it first before starting a new thread. 9/10 times if you just search it through google you will get 4 posts on the subject that show up.
 
Here is one to add. If you have a ? About anything with these cars PLEASE search it first before starting a new thread. 9/10 times if you just search it through google you will get 4 posts on the subject that show up.

Yes, i wish that there was a pop up that came up when you hit the search button that says DID YOU SEARCH FOR THIS in giant red letters.
 
I've seen quite a bit of confusion (especially recently) when it comes to fuel injectors. So here's some info to help clear things up.

1. You CANNOT just install larger fuel injectors without some way of compensating for the increase in fuel. The ECU is programmed for a certain size fuel injector and can only compensate so much. It's much too common for new players to install larger injectors and then become confused when the car runs like a 3-legged dog. This is because the engine is now running extremely rich. This not only kills power and gas mileage, but can quickly lead to serious engine damage. You need some way to adjust the ECU's control over fuel. Simply put: A way to TUNE. Some tuning systems are more limited than others so do some research and plan according to your power goals!

2. Larger fuel injectors will not cause the engine to consume more fuel if properly compensated. If I swap out my 450cc injectors for 1000cc injectors (and properly tune), I will not burn twice as much fuel as a result. This is because the ECU is aiming for specific Air/Fuel ratios. While cruising or at idle, the front O2 sensor will tell the ECU how much fuel to give or take in order to achieve this A/F ratio. Like mentioned before, the ECU has a limited range of fuel control so tuning is essential to this process. However, it's very typical to see an increase in gas mileage with a good tune since these cars run pretty rich from the factory.
 
A thing i see WAY to often is all stock cars pushing tons of boost with nothing but a AFC and running it almost 30% rich or lean. cars running like shit and they dont know why...

NO BLIND TUNING!!!

Autozone air/fuel gauges ARE JUNK!!!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Add Value - Be Respectful - No Trolling - No Misinformation - Participate Often!
Support Vendors who Support the DSM Community

Build Thread Updates

Latest Classifieds

Back
Top