need turbo advice

[evansd_3]

Hi im new to DSM. I just traded a b20 civic hatchback for a 2g gst eclipse, and i have no clue about anything on this car. I think it has a turbonetics manifold with a baby turbo. what turbonetics turbo would fit the manifold, and be small enough to have limited boost lag and capable of 20 psi? thx

 

[turbojoeg]

What are your goals/expectations with the car? 20 psi can have a different outcome turbo to turbo. My opinion on a good quick spooling streetable turbo would be the mitsubishi 16g. Perfect street manners, low cost, direct bolt on.

 

[evansd_3]

well since its a turbonetics manifold i figured id get a turbonetics turbo. my goals are to make 300 hp. obviously i will need to upgrade the fuel pump and injectors, and i plan on getting a tial 38mm

 

[chinola69]

Any t3,, 3/t4 turbo should bolt right onto that manifold. Sorry can't suggest a good t -turbo just not much experience with them but there are a lot of turbos to choose from. 16g good turbo choice but will not bold onto that manifold you would have to get the stock manifold or one flanged for mitsu turbos.

well since its a turbonetics manifold i figured id get a turbonetics turbo. my goals are to make 300 hp. obviously i will need to upgrade the fuel pump and injectors, and i plan on getting a tial 38mm

You don't have to get a turbonetics turbo.

 

[pyanac711]

Turbonetic turbos arnt the greatest quality if do buy one, buy one that needs a rebuild and send it out to have it rebuilt with Garret internals. I had work done by the g pop shop there website is gpopshop.com there work is fantastic and make it look brand new give them a call and ask them about there basic rebuild and the high performance rebuild. High performance rebuild is the way to go. Just my opinion.

 

[turbojoeg]

sorry, didnt notice it was a t3 manifold. I would maybe sell it all, pick up a cast FP manifold that will be mitsu flange. Then get a 16g or 20g turbo. The mitsu turbos are very good in my opinion and for your goals I would stick with a simple mitsubishi foot print. 300hp is very acheivable. good luck

 

[chinola69]

I would get a good t-turbo and keep the manifold. Its already set up for an external gate. Why spend money you don't have too.

 

[evansd_3]

thx for the advice. by any chance do you guys know what turbo that is??

 

[turbojoeg]

I would get a good t-turbo and keep the manifold. Its already set up for an external gate. Why spend money you don't have too.

good point.

I used to run that same manifold back in the day. It ended up cracking worse than the stock 1g manifold. I dont want to say Turbonetics is bad quality, but I havent had luck with any of their parts.

Whats wrong with the current turbo?

 

[Tiki2777]

Try an hx40 holset turbo with that monster turbonetics manifold, they are relatively cheap but you would need to get a different turbine housing or "knife edge" the divider (unless you don't care about spool time...). They would definitely be able to get way over 20 psi easily.

 

[Dsmkauai]

You can go with an older hrc s16g or s20g with the 10cm t3 housing would bolt right up, and definitely handle 20psi.

 

[Bud92gsx]

Did anybody else notice the coolant lines are not hooked up or capped off.

Also OP what is that plate on the front of the turbo, what does that say?

 

[cliffkemp]

It would be good to go with a 16g and get a decent manifold. The only other mods you would need are a good AFPR, 550 or so injectors, 190+ fuel pump, and a decent SAFC. With a 16g and decent supporting mods, you can get around 330 crank hp and also, get the 2g maf. I currently have this set up on my awd talon and get 330 crank....280 wheel hp and 312 wheel tq on the car with a professional tune. If you want to look to the future, you can get a larger turbo like a 20g or green but, will have more lag.

The above set up will net you around 300whp or so, and put your car in the 13s easily. This will get you around 20psi at 3500 rpms as well. The faster you want to go, the more it will cost and the more lag you will start to get. No matter what you decide, do one thing before all others....

Do maint. on the car first and make sure everything is operating like it should be before you do anything else. If there are any issues, simply bolting up a bigger turbo make do damage that will be very expensive to fix.

 

[Bud92gsx]

the cost isnt as low as you think anymore

Yeah brand spanking new from vendors.But brand spanking new from jusmx141 and your wallet just got some extra padding.

 

[crash89]

Bud I didnt notice that until you said something.. Is it me or does it already look like a 20g??

 

[chinola69]

OK everyone is getting ahead of themselves. Your talking to someone that is coming from a Honda world. There main concerns are what engine I should swap in, what color control arms, and tow hooks should I install. Do the maintenance, keep the turbo and mani. Do the MUST upgrades first AFPR, pump, injectors, something to tune with. Keep the turbo see how well it performs if its not what you want chuck it and get yourself a good T-turbo that will bolt right up.

 

[WES_393]

Bud I didnt notice that until you said something.. Is it me or does it already look like a 20g??

That's what i was thinking. Whatever it is, it doesn't look like stock. I would advise posting up better pictures in this thread or the "Turbo ID" thread. Regardless, it looks to me like that turbo would flow enough to keep you happy for quite a while so long as it's not Ebay knockoff.

 

[GSLENK]

yeah it def resembles a 20g. thats about as big a turbo as the OP probably wants. And you can leave water lines at the turbo unhooked. I wouldnt, to help manage temperatures. But I have heard it should generally be ok if you are careful. and besudes some turbos do run without water. the engine side of the water lines are probably plugged. It would be pretty easy to tell from a test drive if they werent.

Funny you think its a small turbo, youshould see the factory turbos. and a bunch of other factory 4-banger turbos. those are small. 20g isnt really big, but Id say its considerably bigger.

 

[WES_393]

^ Not to stray too far off topic, but I have noticed a lot of people who own factory NT cars usually buy large turbos just to run a few lbs of boost. Why is beyond me. Maybe they think smaller turbos can't make much power? Running something like a 60-1 at 5psi just seems silly to me. But like you said, I wouldn't consider something like a 20g to be a baby turbo.

 

[JusMX141]

well since its a turbonetics manifold i figured id get a turbonetics turbo. my goals are to make 300 hp.

You don't even have a Turbonetics turbo now...you have a Hahn Super 16G. That turbo has enough potential to get you to your goal.

^ Not to stray too far off topic, but I have noticed a lot of people who own factory NT cars usually buy large turbos just to run a few lbs of boost. Why is beyond me. Maybe they think smaller turbos can't make much power? Running something like a 60-1 at 5psi just seems silly to me. But like you said, I wouldn't consider something like a 20g to be a baby turbo.

Study efficiency islands on compressor maps enough and you'll see that different compressors perform better at different boost levels. Some of the T04B Garrett compressors are actually most efficient at just 11-15psi.

A GT35R at 8psi is still going to flow more than a T25 at 8psi....BUT it's going to spool 2000-2500rpms later by application. That's 2000-2500rpms of boosted power that the 35R user is giving up, so obviously the T25-powered car is going to feel much faster at the same boost level. This is how so many of the "I upgraded my turbo and my car got slower" threads are created.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Lol man Justin I just looked at his pics again and noticed the same thing duh. Funny that I mentioned to op to check out hrc not realizing his turbo looks just like mine on my car . Well except mines looks to be in better shape and I don't have coolant lines going nowhere. Also op that could be a hrc manifold too, since they do make cast mani's.

 

[evansd_3]

thx for the info. im juat gonna roll with this turbo for a while.