Need experienced peoples opinions if this is "good enough"

[GeneralChaos]

well I know your thinking "oh boy hes asking if its good enough" but ive said before im doing a 6bolt swap and figuring I might as well rebuild while im at it.

im wondering if I have everything that I NEED to have done while its out, or if I have something listed that I dont need, or if im forgetting something that im really going to need.

I know it will be asked so im looking for a streetable daily driver, realisticly hoping for 500hp.

and I almost got enough money for all this stuff, heres what I got listed to buy so far...

Engine
Wiseco Forged Pistons - 9:1 (what bore? thinking .02")
Eagle Connecting Rods
HKS Camshaft - 264/264
Copper Head Gasket - Thickness?
ARP Head Studs
Prothane Motor Mounts
6 bolt block
Mild port and polish
Heat tanked and treated for perfection
Drivetrain
ACT 2600 Clutch
Fidanza 6bolt Flywheel
Fuel
Walbro 255 LPH pump
Fuel Injectors
DSM Link
Head
HKS Valve Spring
Ferrea +1mm Oversize Valves
Titanium Retainers
Mild port and polish
Heat tanked and treated for perfection
1g head
Misc
Boost Gauge
A/F Gauge
EGT Gauge
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ok I know some of this stuff like the clutch arent NEEDED but really good to have and might as well do while its all apart.

and I know im gonna need a new turbo blah blah blah to get 500hp but im just looking at what I need to get myself up and running for a while.

few things im not sure about is if i need things like a fuel rail and new fuel pressure regulator.

and incase someone says I shouldnt be doing such a thing if im not 100% sure on what to do, im not saying I am because im no engine guru, but it will be a great learning experience and I know many people who are more then qualified to help me if I need it.

and I know ill also need the stuff that is listed at magnus' 1gina2g list.



well thats about it, id REALLY appreciate ANYONES input on this because id hate to buy something I dont need, or even worse not have something when I need it!

 

[gregmondro]

what are your aspirations?

you don't need to build the engine unless you're gonna be making 600+ hp or so I've been told

i've put together a list of stuff that i'm gonna be doing to my car to get it into mid 12s, i posted it on a local board with a few other DSM owners that have had VAST EXPERIENCE building up fast DSMs, and these are the opinions that I got.


Wiseco Forged Pistons - 9:1 (what bore? thinking .02")
Eagle Connecting Rods =

you dont need either of these unless you're gonna be making 600 hp, stockers are absolutely fine, otherwise i'd jsut go with 2g pistons and machined 1g rods.

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Copper Head Gasket - Thickness?=
go with a stock metal head gasket from Concelli (sp)

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Prothane Motor Mounts =
whats the point of these? they make the car horrible to ride in, stockers are fine, if anything just replace them with brand new stock ones. Less trouble, and more comfortable.
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Fuel Injectors=
what size? don't get RCs, they arent worth the money, get something good like Densos or Greddy
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seems you also are looking at a few things for the head that aren't actually needed/needed to be replaced IMO.

its easy to get these cars into mid 12s, that's what i'm aiming for, and I made a list just like this and the vast majority of it was un-needed stuff that if I take out of my list, will leave me money for other stuff that would be more beneficial to the car.

also, what are you going to use for fuel management?

edit: also noticed you didnt have anything listed exhaust wise. If I would recommend anything, it'd be if the 1g manifold is cracked, either go with a 2g or evo 3 exhaust manifold.

for the downpipe: road race engineering sells a great inhouse one, and Apexi n1 is a great muffler to go w/.

what about an intercooler? SMIC will not suffice imo.

might aswell also do a balance shaft removal on the engine while it is out.

also, the tranny is a important piece don't cut corners, do a good tranny and you'll be happy with it for a while

 

[GeneralChaos]

well first of all thanks for the fast reply I really appreciate it.

let see where to start...

what are your aspirations?

you don't need to build the engine unless you're gonna be making 600+ hp or so I've been told

well, to be honest, have a pretty mean import that can contend with some muscle cars in a drag, but still be able to drive daily. Yea I know I cant hang with that modded Z06 sittin over there, but I want to compete/beat most of them, here in michigan imports are really frowned apon, but the dsms around here are starting to make them afraid. (most muscles around here are doing like 12.5's tops, unless its a big baller, lots of stangs ect)

id like 600hp, but im setting my goals to 500 realisticly. and i want to feel as comfertable as possible putting out that power, not a "stock SHOULD hold that power" I want "this WILL hold that power" so I feel safe as I can.

go with a stock metal head gasket from Concelli (sp)

thank you.

Prothane Motor Mounts =
whats the point of these? they make the car horrible to ride in, stockers are fine, if anything just replace them with brand new stock ones. Less trouble, and more comfortable.

thank you again, one less thing to waste money on, to be honest I didnt think I needed these either.

Fuel Injectors=
what size? don't get RCs, they arent worth the money, get something good like Densos or Greddy

I thought I wrote 950's but guess I didnt. dont know what kind they are, just looking mostly at slowboy racing products since they have better prices then the rest, but they dont say what brand they are, just "ball style" ill look into greddys. and I chose 950 just as a safe factor again, incase I ever need more, because I can tune to compensate if they are to much.

seems you also are looking at a few things for the head that aren't actually needed/needed to be replaced IMO.

yea I know, but my friend with a 91 laser blew his head out and wasnt near this hp so it kinda scared me, and from what ive heard if you do mild port/polish and put those things in you get a good amount of horsepower, and once again some more reliability. and id rather do it while its out if at all, but if I honestly dont need to worry about it, thats good, less money.

its easy to get these cars into mid 12s

yea it seems so, and talking to my friends id really be happy with mid-low 12s, but like I said I want to contend with the muscle around here, so I might need a little more then that.

also, what are you going to use for fuel management?

dsm link can be used for that right? if not, s-afc2

also noticed you didnt have anything listed exhaust wise

yea I know im going to need it, was thinking RRE turbo back with the N1, but its not necessary at the very moment, the stock will still work.

but I know ill need FMIC, new turbo (probly FP green) exhaust, all that bolton stuff.

might aswell also do a balance shaft removal on the engine while it is out

was going to

also, the tranny is a important piece don't cut corners, do a good tranny and you'll be happy with it for a while

yea I want to do a tranny build but its not needed as long as I go easy, forgot who I was gonna look into doing it....think was sheppard racing.


and I know on the reliabiity issue a race car wont be reliable, and things will happen, but the stronger the better.

EDIT: also wondering if id want a walbro 255 high pressure pump or not.

 

[Wipf]

500 hp is alot.. I kinda get the impression that you dont think that is... you say you want to hang with some muscle cars.. half the stuff that you put you honstly dont need.. I am not trying to talk down to you either so please dont get me wrong.. It is always great to have a 6 bolt. that will save you from lots of problems down the road.. But as far as running a 12.5 you can do that with a lot less money than you would spend putting this fully built motor together.. Ok.. stick with the 6 bolt that is good.. If you want to build something up real good I would say the transmission over the pistons and such.. Many people hit mid to low 12's with a stock bottom end. In my case the only thing that ever fails me is the transmission. Get some HKS cams, a good clutch and hope to god the transmission holds up, get a fuel computer. DSM link SAFC what ever you want and a logger of somesort.. put the car up on a dyno and tune it.. If you dont know how to tune it no big deal pay someone to put a few man hours into it... with all the money you saved you can afford it.. As far as turbos go.. You want something real good and you can trust, give the boys at AGP a call they will hook you up with whatever you want. They stand behind their work also, you can trust that you get an awesome piece of machine when you get something from them.. In the long run if you want to build this raw dogg motor built to put down 600 hp by all means do it. but as far as a 12.5 goes it is closer within your reach than you think
take it easy and have a good time

 

[GeneralChaos]

500 hp is a hell of a lot, specially on a import.

yea 12.5 is easy, my friend danny should be doing that in his 1g right now, and doesnt have near this stuff.

but competing with the muscle cars isnt a joke, so I need to be more capable then that.

and if im putting in a old 6bolt (probly buying a block) might as well just put the good stuff in there while im at it....IMO anyway.

 

[Wipf]

well again I say do what you feel like doing ultimatly it your decision in the end all i can do is lend my opinion.. I go out to super chevy night at the track all the time to race the camaros and chevelle and the occasion corvette.. You dont need 500 hp to beat them.. Trust me

 

[GeneralChaos]

well if your from europe then the american cars may not be that great, I live near detroit, thats all there is, mustangs, cameros, all that crap, thats all there is, most of the imports just do looks so that makes all the muscle guys thing their mustang is the end all be all to cars and its the fastest thing there ever is.

a good chunk of them just have exhausts, but the people who are serious are way faster then that, my 2 main rivals of muscle cars (friends, I know people with faster) are a 5.0 mustang doing high 11's with nitrous, and a old camero also doing the same, they compete against eachother and make eachother faster all the time (the camero got n20 to beat the 5.0, so the 5.0 got it to beat the camero ect)

before the nitrous they were doing pretty low 12's.


but I do appreciate the opinions, they can only help.

 

[Wipf]

Well this eclipse was built in seattle.. Which is right next to Kent.. that is the 2nd biggest street racing place in The US.. I live in england now.. In europe you dont have to worry about muscle cars you worry about Loutus's Ferraris, All the JDM cars you dont see but in magazines..

 

[GeneralChaos]

yea it would be sweet to see all those euro cars on the road, but in reality a muscle car is still way more of a threat in a drag race then a euro car ever will be

anyone else got opinions on the subject question?

 

[VRMAN]

PTE 56 Trim turbo
Big FMIC with 2.5" UICP&LICP
TRE built tranny or at least double syncro 2nd gear
720cc injectors
Tein or similar full suspension. Will be needed to hold up 500HP.


Look at my profile, thats 8K in motor parts and just about at 350hp, 5-6 is ridiculous man.

 

[1fast97gsx]

get 1g rods and 2g pistons. All new bearings and gaskets / seals. Of course get a new headgasket and some arp studs. Get the bs elliminator kit. Either keep the 1g cams or just go with hks 272s. Get something along the lines of 20g or larger turbo. FMIC is a must. At least 650cc injectors or larger ... 255 pump ... safc. 3" turbo back and some upgraded brakes. That right there should cost no more than $3500 and is good for 11s.