N-Tercooler Dyno Sheets?

[Eagle_Summit]

I've noticed quite a few people around here using N-tercooler setups. And i was just curious if anyone has dyno sheets with the setup. Before and After.


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[oddrob]

I've dyno'd several cars here with the N-tercooler system. The least I've picked up was 15whp. The most was 32whp I believe. Always works for me.

 

[Eagle_Summit]

So would you say its 400 bux well spent from NX?

 

[pianoman]

I asked this question to the local dsm shop (AMS) and they told me they've seen as high as a 50hp gain from the kit. just my .02 cents.

 

[Logue]

I'm very interested in this kit also,

but what are most people using Co2 right, not actual No2 eventhough it is alot colder?

JJ

 

[99gst_racer]

I'm very interested in this kit also,

but what are most people using Co2 right, not actual No2 eventhough it is alot colder?

JJ

Wrong. Nitrous is not much colder than Co2. They will provide the exact same cooling effect. The only difference is that when using Co2, if any of it is sucked in through the intake, you will loose performance.

But otherwise, Co2 is perfectly fine to use on the N-tercooler kits.

I'm going to install my kit next month. I will be running nitrous through mine only because we fill it here where I work and I get it at cost.

 

[AMS stampy]

Just so you guys know we were asked to test this product out for a magazine and when we did so on the dyno we gained ZERO HP using CO2. We have seen big gains with N2O but not CO2. both have almost the same cooling effect. what that means is that these big numbers that people are claiming on N2O sprayers are due to the car sucking up the N2O into the intake. The article was then changed to a simple install article not a test article. I for one wouldn;t want unfueled Nitrous flowing into my car.

Eric

 

[99gst_racer]

Just so you guys know we were asked to test this product out for a magazine and when we did so on the dyno we gained ZERO HP using CO2. We have seen big gains with N2O but not CO2. both have almost the same cooling effect. what that means is that these big numbers that people are claiming on N2O sprayers are due to the car sucking up the N2O into the intake. The article was then changed to a simple install article not a test article. I for one wouldn;t want unfueled Nitrous flowing into my car.

Eric

-OR- maybe the motor was sucking in the Co2 on the dyno due to the fact that it was not in motion with wind blowing on it.

Just curious, How much HP did you guys gain when using Nitrous?

I positive that the gains from the N-tercooler kit were not from Nitrous being sucked in. It is a cooling effect, plain and simple. It is possible for some (very little) nitrous to be sucked in and YES, it would cause some HP gain, but not the entire effect is from that. If cooling the FMIC with Co2 was not making power, then company's like DEI with their CryO2 kit's would have gone out of business a long time ago.

 

[AMS stampy]

we have been doing this for a very long time and unless you are working with a highly ineffecient intercooler it is really a waste of money. we even tried DEI's little throttle body cooler and we LOST hp with it. we tried this on a 450 hp car with a decent sized front mount with simulated airflow on the front mount and it gained ZERO hp. spend your money where you will I am just trying to save you guys some money. typically on N20 sprayers you will see a 15 hp gain... to get that from cooling you would have to be in some SERIOUSLY hot conditions. i know on my intercooler on the dyno my air intake temps hit the highest point of 75 degrees. The possibility of N2O being sucked into the intake is very very likely. have you ever noticed under full throttle how hard your turbo sucks in air....you cant unless you are on a dyno. those blades are spinning at over 100,000 RPM. If you dont want to believe us thats fine. its your dollar.

Eric

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

-OR- maybe the motor was sucking in the Co2 on the dyno due to the fact that it was not in motion with wind blowing on it.

Just curious, How much HP did you guys gain when using Nitrous?

I positive that the gains from the N-tercooler kit were not from Nitrous being sucked in. It is a cooling effect, plain and simple. It is possible for some (very little) nitrous to be sucked in and YES, it would cause some HP gain, but not the entire effect is from that. If cooling the FMIC with Co2 was not making power, then company's like DEI with their CryO2 kit's would have gone out of business a long time ago.

any gas within 10 feet of that car is going to get sucked up... hell my friend's mustang will pick up a piece of paper off the floor when under load.. the gains are from the dry shot, not the cooling. ever noticed no REAL race cars run the sprayers?

they sell because of good marketing.. that is all

 

[99gst_racer]

any gas within 10 feet of that car is going to get sucked up... hell my friend's mustang will pick up a piece of paper off the floor when under load.. the gains are from the dry shot, not the cooling. ever noticed no REAL race cars run the sprayers?

they sell because of good marketing.. that is all

, so let me get this straight. You think sucking up nitrous from 10 feet away is going to create HP?? :laugh:

 

[AMS stampy]

that is not what he is saying. He is making an example to demonstrate a point on how easy a mist of nitrous 2 feet away can be injested into the intake. take it easy man. I stand to gain nothing from this. I was just trying to help you guys out.

Eric

 

[99gst_racer]

that is not what he is saying. He is making an example to demonstrate a point on how easy a mist of nitrous 2 feet away can be injested into the intake. take it easy man. I stand to gain nothing from this. I was just trying to help you guys out.

Eric

I understand that, but once Nitrous hits the air, it disipates quickly and looses it's cooling effect. So there is no possible way 50 HP created from the N-tercooler was from injested Nitrous from 2 feet away. Thats all I'm saying.....

 

[Jehu]

Power gain from nitrous is not due to it's cooling effect. Ingesting nitrous is like a dry shot...only there's no provisions for richening the fuel. If you have an adequately sized intercooler, these intercooler coolers aren't going to do too much, and you're wasting expensive nitrous.

But by all means, ignore the guys in the shop doing the actual dyno testing. Trust the marketing guys...they should at least know as much as car salesmen.

 

[AMS stampy]

Thank you Jehu

 

[AMS Eric #2]

My car was the one used to test the DEI products. The intake bulb and IC sprayer used together did absolutly nothing for it. The design for both of these products is rather lacking. They are simply marketing on peoples limited to no knowledge of engineering.

The bulb is really not a good idea. Its a restriction in your IC piping, it doesnt have NEAR the surface area to do any significant cooling to the amount of air and speed of the air passing over it, and last the fact that the CO2 isnt going to turn real cold until it changes states, from liquid to gas, causing the molecules to expand and cool, which doesnt happen in the bulb, but the point where the CO2 is expelled out of its pressurized line and into the atmosphere.

The IC sprayer can work in certain situations, mainly where your car is severly underintercooled, but again on mine it did nothing. The halo piece was about a 1/5th of the size of my core, and sprayed very little of it. Plus the fact my core is 3.5" thick, and it may have been affecting the first half inch of the rows it was hitting. I figure only about 10% of the air traveling thru the IC even had a chance of being affected by the CO2.

We still have the CryO2 kit at the shop, I might even talk to Martin and we might put it back on the car and put it on the dyno. First spray it with CO2 and then spray it with N2O and see what the difference is. Maybe that would make or break the myth that the N20 sprayers actually suck nitrous into the intake and thats where the gains come from rather than the cooling effect of the IC.

 

[DGajre777]

We still have the CryO2 kit at the shop, I might even talk to Martin and we might put it back on the car and put it on the dyno. First spray it with CO2 and then spray it with N2O and see what the difference is. Maybe that would make or break the myth that the N20 sprayers actually suck nitrous into the intake and thats where the gains come from rather than the cooling effect of the IC.

Old thread, but this is very interesting. Any updates on this?

 

[nazthug]

this is not magic....the car is sucking a little bit of nitrous into the intake...thts the ONLY way it makes power....maybe 5% of that power is coming from the colder intercooler


Just do water/meth injection, its much more effective at reducing intake temps

 

[99gst_racer]

Just do water/meth injection, its much more effective at reducing intake temps

I agree.