more issues :(

[crusada]

i just got my shifter cable issue fixed now on to more issues as i took it for a test drive down the road i drove down the road to a dead end backed up turned around got moving and i lost all gears i believe it might be clutch related now i can put it in all gears with out pushing the clutch in. Its so frustrating but i love my dsm's

 

[AlaskanDsm]

I am confused. Please clarify what you are having problems with. If I understand, you fixed a shifter cable issue you had previously and went for a test drive. During the test drive after turning around, you lost all gears but can shift into all gears without pressing the clutch in while the car is running. Is this correct?

 

[Asian Beast]

Check to make sure the shift cables are on and didn't break off.. If they broke you can move the shifter wherever you want but your not going anywhere.

 

[crusada]

I can physically put the car in gear with or with out the clutch being pushed i hear it go into gear but it wont move.

 

[sniver]

You should have just continued in your other thread.

Again, do what I said in the last post. See if you can make the trans arms move into gear. Look and ensure at the trans.

Also push the clutch fork towards the slave, see if you can depress it. Maybe the master adjusted wrong

Sent from my Droid

 

[crusada]

i can move the trans arms into gear on the trans I hear it go into gear as well. and sorry i should have continued just alittle frustrated and didnt think about it .

 

[cliffkemp]

sounds more like a broken bushing at the shifter. my neon did this (another neon as I have had 3) a long time ago. if the bushing breaks or is partly broken on the trans and the shifter, you will have loads of play and it will physically go into any gear but not enough to actually engage the gear on the transmission itself. The bushings, unless different on your car are about an inch across. If both bushings were damaged due to hard shifting (happens a lot when racing around) the bushing part in the middle will crack and start to break into pieces. When you keep shifting, the pieces will fall out of the bushing holder (just the round end on the end of the linkage) and will cause a void there.

the ones on the transmission side are easy to see for the most part. the ones on the shifter side cannot be seen until you take the console off and the look at the linkage at the shifter. You are having the exact same problems I had then. the first time, I made a bushing out of wood to get it to work then it wore that out and it fell off. Finally got some aftermarket bushings and fixed it easily. They snap on. very simple and takes just a few minutes to fix on the trans side. Little more difficult on the shifter side as they are harder to get to initially.

 

[vteckiller92tsi]

I had a problem like this to and it was just the box under the stereo blocking me from shifting.It wouldn't let it go all the ways in gear and it would just grind

 

[razrman8]

I also think this should have been a continuation of the other thread, instead of posting a new one.

 

[AlaskanDsm]

I had a problem like this to and it was just the box under the stereo blocking me from shifting.It wouldn't let it go all the ways in gear and it would just grind

Just FYI so you know the 1G and 2G don't have the same shifter linkage. The 1G has shifter cables and I believe that the 2G have connecting rods.

This should have been a continuation of the other thread, instead of posting a new one.

Check post #5 haha.

 

[razrman8]

Fully aware. Wanted to be sure he knew that mods tend to not like threads created that are basically a continuation of another issue.

 

[AlaskanDsm]

Very true and a very helpful person

 

[crusada]

what i was saying was i can grab the arm on the tranny put it in gear directly on the tranny. Start the car up and it still doesn't move thats why i was wondering it it may be a clutch issue.

 

[cliffkemp]

what i was saying was i can grab the arm on the tranny put it in gear directly on the tranny. Start the car up and it still doesn't move thats why i was wondering it it may be a clutch issue.

maybe, never really heard of that before. usually it is the other way around, car is stuck in a gear.

beyond my knowledge unless you give a little more information. Unless a shaft broke in your transmission or somehow, the clutch stuck so that the pressure plate will not engage with the flywheel, not really sure what to say. I doubt you shattered your disk as it would have made a really loud noise and usually happens if you try to launch it at redline, usually.

no longer sure what to tell you.

 

[sniver]

Just FYI so you know the 1G and 2G don't have the same shifter linkage. The 1G has shifter cables and I believe that the 2G have connecting rods.




Check post #5 haha.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on non turbo 2g's, but 4g63 turbo 2gs use the same cable shifter setup.

Fully aware. Wanted to be sure he knew that mods tend to not like threads created that are basically a continuation of another issue.

Not your job to ensure and warn. He was suggested for future knowledge to proceed with the previous thread, thats enough on the subject.

maybe, never really heard of that before. usually it is the other way around, car is stuck in a gear.

beyond my knowledge unless you give a little more information. Unless a shaft broke in your transmission or somehow, the clutch stuck so that the pressure plate will not engage with the flywheel, not really sure what to say. I doubt you shattered your disk as it would have made a really loud noise and usually happens if you try to launch it at redline, usually.

no longer sure what to tell you.

You have posted many things about your experiences with a neon. this is not a 420a car, and you keep adding alot of useless, and distracting information to non pertinent threads. Its better to keep quiet than to lead someone the wrong way.




To the OP, did you ensure the slave cylinder is free moving like I suggested earlier?
I'll post up a how to adjust it the right way in a minute.

EDIT: Just watch this, see how he shows when you over adjust the master, the slave becomes solid? I've had it happen that my master was over adjusted, and when i launched it, the slave got got at full extension somehow.

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[cliffkemp]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on non turbo 2g's, but 4g63 turbo 2gs use the same cable shifter setup.





Not your job to ensure and warn. He was suggested for future knowledge to proceed with the previous thread, thats enough on the subject.





You have posted many things about your experiences with a neon. this is not a 420a car, and you keep adding alot of useless, and distracting information to non pertinent threads. Its better to keep quiet than to lead someone the wrong way.




To the OP, did you ensure the slave cylinder is free moving like I suggested earlier?
I'll post up a how to adjust it the right way in a minute.

EDIT: Just watch this, see how he shows when you over adjust the master, the slave becomes solid? I've had it happen that my master was over adjusted, and when i launched it, the slave got got at full extension somehow.

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doesnt matter if it is a 420a or a 4g63, a clutch is a clutch and I gave out possible problems that he may have and I have had similar issues with my talon awd that I had then and the one I have now. Since he was able to shift and then all of a sudden, he could not, it was not just an adjustment. I dont appreciate your jumping on me as you dont know me and everything I did say was true although, it may not be the actual problem.

Problem aside, a clutch works the same in both a neon and talon. If he had a failure with the clutch mechinism with the hydraulics, that is something else and I didnt comment on that as I didnt know much about it but, the clutch itself works the same and I was asking for more info.

So rude are some people

fact is, I was correct about the shifter bushing being either broken or off. Now he has a new problem with the trans as he says, it will not go even if he puts the car in gear on the trans itself. He drove the car around to make sure the first fix was permanent and then while turning around, it did the new thing. Getting ill at me about my suggestions is rude as I was throwing things out there for him to try before he had to do anything serious.

He didnt give much information other than he thought it might be the clutch and it is hydraulic. It was working fine one min then went out the other, supposedly.

did it make a noise before it 'messed' up? he didnt say
did the clutch go the floor or anything out of the ordinary that would say that the clutch is the problem..... he didnt say

420a has nothing to do with a clutch but the bushings do. now it wont go. stop fussing with me and think about the guy's problem, SNIVER. if the clutch was working fine and the linkage was the problem, there is something he is not telling us or doesnt know. Now I give it to you as I dont have enough information yet to find out the true problem. I was just eliminating possibilities.

 

[AlaskanDsm]

Just FYI so you know the 1G and 2G don't have the same shifter linkage. The 1G has shifter cables and I believe that the 2G have connecting rods.

I failed. I forgot that although the shifter cables/linkage are slightly different, it was the adjustment that was different. My bad.

 

[sniver]

I failed. I forgot that although the shifter cables/linkage are slightly different, it was the adjustment that was different. My bad.

Its ok, just getting the mis info tidied up a little bit.


And the rest of you, chill out, I didn't take your skittles.

 

[crusada]

sorry havent been on for awhile Im getting ready to rip the trans out to check the clutch there were no noises when it happend its just odd that i can grab the shifter in the car and put it in to gear with out having to push the clutch in thats why i figured it was a clutch issue. The slave cylinder was ok when i checked it. I pray its not something in the trans ill cry if it is then fix it

 

[crusada]

Ok so i have it narrowed down a bit I going to be taking the trans out i have my fingers crossed its the clutch or throw out bearing. I just cant figure out why the clutch would cause it to beable to be put into gear with out pushing the clutch in but when in gear it wont move of course it does start with out pushing the clutch in to so i dunno with something with the clutch stuck together or what but its just what i think i have it narrowed down to because everything else seems fine next the it being internal which i pray its not if anyone has any more insight on that it would be greatly appreciated

 

[sniver]

Ok so i have it narrowed down a bit I going to be taking the trans out i have my fingers crossed its the clutch or throw out bearing. I just cant figure out why the clutch would cause it to beable to be put into gear with out pushing the clutch in but when in gear it wont move of course it does start with out pushing the clutch in to so i dunno with something with the clutch stuck together or what but its just what i think i have it narrowed down to because everything else seems fine next the it being internal which i pray its not if anyone has any more insight on that it would be greatly appreciated

It starts without pushing the clutch in? Do you have the pedal switch disabled, or is the pedal physically not coming the whole way up?

Broken clutch possibly, broken input shaft/other trans internal.

Either way the trans has to come out.

 

[crusada]

im going to be pulling it as soon as it gets warm out ill keep everyone posted when i figure something out.