mechanics suck!

[93talonkid]

yeah i had my car in the shop for a simple boot repair and when i get my car back all i hear is, you have an engine leak, an oil pan leak, your turbo oil return hose is leaking oil, your leaking powersteering fluid..etc....and he convinces my father that theres no good turbos out there, theyre all crap and theyre all gonna fail...so my dad is trying to make me sell my DSM !!!!!!! i dono wut to do i feel like crap its like the only thing im attached to i love my talon... im prepared to stick money in her but if i cant keep her my dad wants me to buy a porsche 944 turbo...help please........................

 

[leakyfaucet]

DRIVE A PORSCHE... you'll understand then.

I've owned a 944, thanks.

 

[jott5555]

ye well have u beat a 944 turbo? they are quick..

 

[kyledykstra]

ye well have u beat a 944 turbo? they are quick..

I think by own he means he held the title and the car was in his physical possesion.

 

[Toshiro]

I disagree with most of the Porsche enthusiasts on here, keep your DSM; don't go for the 944. In my experience (my friend owns an 81 924 turbo), Porsches are very unreliable, especially one that will be older than your DSM. And when they break, parts and/or labor for them will burn right through your wallet like it's nothing. Plus, and I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, your DSM would be a much more mod-friendly car. How many aftermarket parts are out for a 944? I'm sure there are some but you won't find the amount you would for a DSM, nor would there be as many people with similar setups to compare to. A 944 may be a great car, but there's a reason you generally only see old men driving them. Expensive parts, insurance, labor, very difficultt to work on (German over-engineering) etc. Keep your DSM.

BTW, if the mechanic convinced your dad that all turbos are unreliable, why would he want you to buy a 944 turbo in the first place?

 

[Defiant]

Have your dad do a price check on a 94 water pump. Then have him do the same for a DSM.

And pray the genetic material he gave half of to bring you about didn't come from between his ears.

 

[ryu]

Have your dad do a price check on a 94 water pump. Then have him do the same for a DSM.

And pray the genetic material he gave half of to bring you about didn't come from between his ears.

 

[dogpoop]

I once owned a 1995.5 Porsche 944 (edit: should read 1985.5) . The summer it hit 50K miles, the following happened: 1) water pump went bad ($1100 repair), 2) Hydraulic Motor Mounts began to leak ($1200 repair) and 3) Air Conditioning Compressor cooked ($1200 repair). Later that summer, I got nailed in the rear by a teenage girl without insurance. On the way back from the body shop after having the extensive (~$9000) body work completed, I nearly got into two accidents (both incidents consisted of women blowing through STOP signs). Then the clutch started making noise (I suspected a bad throw out bearing). My neighbor had the same car and when he told me his manual transmission croaked and it cost $5000 for a rebuild, I dumped mine. Yeah, it was gorgeous and kicked butt, but it was sending me to financial ruin.
One thing I always remembered about that car was that it didn't have a head gasket. The head and block were so perfectly machined, it didn't need one.

 

[leakyfaucet]

I think by own he means he held the title and the car was in his physical possesion.

Yes, thank you.

In my experience (my friend owns an 81 924 turbo), Porsches are very unreliable, especially one that will be older than your DSM. And when they break, parts and/or labor for them will burn right through your wallet like it's nothing.

I agree 100%.

I once owned a 1995.5 Porsche 944.

Are you sure you don't mean a 1985.5 Porshe 944?

 

[mike markota]

81 924Turbo. Hm. Audi Motor. 2L Turbo w/ CIS Fuel Injection right? Those USED to eat turbos before people realized you need to let them cool down, and I doubt those cars were maintained. Ever. That shuold explain it..and I seriously love all Porsche, but it doenst have a Porsche heart...its an Audi...

DogPoop: If the proper mat. was done (replace water pump WHEN the timing belt is replaced) I doubt that would have happened. Motor mounts..eh it happens, but VERY far from a $1,200 repair. Same with A/C, and the N/A trans arent bulletproof (they have ring and pinon problems if you dump the clutch alot -- only time I have heard of them failling..far less then a DSM trans but with MY1986 and on the problem was fixed. Also, $9K of damage would total any 944...how did you save yours?

PS: Did you go to the dealer? Price fixing that stuff at a Mitsu dealer for a DSM and see how much it costs. Then DIY and its moer comparable

But bottom line, I've had my share of Porsches, my family has had TONS, and friends have em....all are 100% reliable when taken care of. (Not babying it either, we track em, race em, all that they are MADE for it, we just maintain them!)

 

[mike markota]

Oh, and these cars have headgaskets

 

[leakyfaucet]

I don't see how you're calling 80s porsches any more reliable than 80s VWs...

 

[dogpoop]

Are you sure you don't mean a 1985.5 Porshe 944?

Ooops! Yes, you are correct.

 

[dogpoop]

DogPoop: If the proper mat. was done (replace water pump WHEN the timing belt is replaced) I doubt that would have happened. Motor mounts..eh it happens, but VERY far from a $1,200 repair. Same with A/C, and the N/A trans arent bulletproof (they have ring and pinon problems if you dump the clutch alot -- only time I have heard of them failling..far less then a DSM trans but with MY1986 and on the problem was fixed. Also, $9K of damage would total any 944...how did you save yours?

1) The vehicle had just over 50K miles when the water pump went. What "proper maintenance" are you talking about?
2) I got quotes from two different Porsche dealers on the motor mounts -- both were the same $1200. My regular mechanic wouldn't touch my Porsche.
3) What type of "proper maintenance" is one supposed to perform on a closed A/C system? The unit was working fine and the sight glass never showed a lack of refrigerant.
4) No, $9K did not total my 944 -- as it was only a few years old. I believe the Kelley Blue Book value on the vehicle at the time of the accident was about $12K.

 

[mike markota]

1) The vehicle had just over 50K miles when the water pump went. What "proper maintenance" are you talking about?

Timing Belt/Waterpump every 30K miles maybe...? Says it right in the owners manual.

2) I got quotes from two different Porsche dealers on the motor mounts -- both were the same $1200. My regular mechanic wouldn't touch my Porsche.

Two different dealers still means Porsche dealer. No shit they are gonna rape you on the prices. Is it cheaper on a DSM to go to the dealer for a part or to another source? Why wouldn't he touch the Porsche? I always felt it was EASIER working on my p-cars over my old Honda, my DSMs, even my freakin Starion!!!!

3) What type of "proper maintenance" is one supposed to perform on a closed A/C system? The unit was working fine and the sight glass never showed a lack of refrigerant.

That there is a misunderstanding as you can see I said

but VERY far from a $1,200 repair. Same with A/C

I meant that its VERY far from a $1,200 repair. My fault.

No, $9K did not total my 944 -- as it was only a few years old. I believe the Kelley Blue Book value on the vehicle at the time of the accident was abound $12K

Thought you meant recently, sorry bud!

I still maintain Porsches are reliable.

 

[dogpoop]

Timing Belt/Waterpump every 30K miles maybe...? Says it right in the owners manual.

Check your owners manual again....I don't think you'll find a recommendation for replacing the water pump every 30K.

 

[leakyfaucet]

Timing Belt/Waterpump every 30K miles maybe...? Says it right in the owners manual.

That is insane, I'd never own a car that needed that every 30K miles. And my manual absolutely 100% did NOT say that.

 

[Toshiro]

How can you say a car is reliable if you're supposed to change the timing belt every 30K miles? Also, you can't dismiss every single example of Porsche unreliability as a poorly maintained car, that's just being closed-minded.

 

[leakyfaucet]

How can you say a car is reliable if you're supposed to change the timing belt every 30K miles? Also, you can't dismiss every single example of Porsche unreliability as a poorly maintained car, that's just being closed-minded.

Agreed. That's like saying a car is reliable as long as you replace the engine every 40k miles.

 

[drivemusicnow]

{statement removed}... either way, you can't complain about prices being rediculously high when you take it to a dealer.. thats what they do... why is "satan" in the DSM definitions? Either way, 951s are awesome cars, that require a fair amount of maintenence, which at times is expensive. however they really can't be compared to DSMs in any way... totally different animals.

Anyway... Good luck with your decision/persuasive efforts.

EDIT: the manual does say 60k miles on both... however there is a common train of thought to replace it every 30K that is actually stated in the Haynes manual. Just correcting some mis-information.