Lowering Issues Please Help!

[CLEANest98GSX]

I clearly understand that there are many threads similar to this but not exactly of what I am looking for.

I had done something really stupid a couple months ago. I lowered my car using spring clamps. Yes probably the dumbest thing I have ever done. I don't even know why I did it either.

But anyways, I can remove the kit so I am planning to get the TOKICO HP SHOCKS SPRINGTECH SPRINGS Set. I have heard some pretty good things about this set-up so I decided to give it a try. I was told that I need a camber kit in the rear. Do I need the camber kit in the front as well? The kit lowers it 1.75." If I should get it in case please tell me because from now on I am doing everything I do to my car THE RIGHT WAY.

Other than that what else should I know about this lowering idea? I really do not want to expect any problems in the future with this set-up.

Please give me any advice! Thanks!

 

[Absit]

You can expect your car to handle like crap without proper shocks - but you're probably used to that by now.

As for a camber kit, well, how much camber do you want to run?

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

I don't know anything about cambers man so I don't know how much I want. As far as the tokico shock/spring combo you don't think it's good?

 

[PEGE]

You will probably need a camber kit in the font a well. Again this depends on how much negative camber you want to run.

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

I don't know what "negative camber" I want to run. What does that mean and what is ideal?

 

[16g DSM]

Negative camber is what you see when a guy slams his car and the wheels are at an angle and tucked up under the wheel well... just google negative camber and depending on how low you go with the car you might not need to buy a kit!

 

[PEGE]

If you are lowering your car 1.75" you will need a camber kit to get the factory alignment specs for your vehicle.

Some people use camber to help in corner better (this will use your tires prematurelaly, if you use your car as a daily driver)

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

Some people use camber to help in corner better (this will use your tires prematurelaly, if you use your car as a daily driver)[/QUOTE]

DAMN! Like really prematurely or just a little more than usual? I will be having my factory OEM GSX wheels with the factory OEM Eagle RS-A tires. The lowering kit made by Tokico comes with the shocks and springs. It is the HP series. I was told only get camber in the rear is that true? Will my car be different if I only do it in the rear? Please help my noob self!
Thanks!

 

[PEGE]

Some people use camber to help in corner better (this will use your tires prematurelaly, if you use your car as a daily driver)

DAMN! Like really prematurely or just a little more than usual? I will be having my factory OEM GSX wheels with the factory OEM Eagle RS-A tires. The lowering kit made by Tokico comes with the shocks and springs. It is the HP series. I was told only get camber in the rear is that true? Will my car be different if I only do it in the rear? Please help my noob self!
Thanks![/QUOTE]

If people using this setup have told you rear only then you might be ok with just the rear. I have a different set of springs and needed a front kit.

As far as premature, I mean: usually when lowering, more use on the inside of the tire.

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

Yes I understand what that means but if I lower it and install the camber kits, will they still wear prematurely?

 

[PEGE]

You will need to bring it for an alignment after installing the kits.
For the rear kit just bring it to them to install as they align the car, it's a set of shims, so they will need to add shims where needed to get your alignment bang on.

What rear kit are you getting, and maybe I misse dthis info gut what model is your car, TSI AWD?

And no if the camber is set properly the tires will use normally!

 

[Absit]

Learn about suspension and handling before you go modifying your..suspension and handling. That's just logical.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

This thread is exactly like many others. You're question is if you need a camber kit for the front. The answer is no.

Deal with what you get up front, which will likely be something like -1.5 to -1.7 degrees and then use a camber kit to setup your rear to roughly half of the negative camber you have in the front.
i.e. If you have -1.5 degrees of camber up front then you would want to aim for -0.7 in the rear.

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

I was told to buy
97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 MITSUBISHI DIAMANTE Ingalls Alignment Kit 35850

Car is 98 GSX.

Any other downfalls of lowering besides less clearance, scrapping ect?

Thanks for putting up for me I am just paraniod with this car and I can't afford anymore mishaps.

 

[97GSeX]

My gsx does have slight negitive camber in the back but not upfront, but its so slight that you cant even really tell unless you up close( i dont know the #'s exactly) but, in that case you may only have camber in rear and not in the front. Not sure if it helps at all but thought id give my 2 cents.

 

[BluEco]

Yes I understand what that means but if I lower it and install the camber kits, will they still wear prematurely?

Any lowering with cause a slight negative camber. If you adjust it further, then obviously you'll have even more negative camber. Negative camber causes the top of the wheel to fold in toward the strut tower, which greatly wears on the inside wall of the tire. So yes, pretty extreme premature wear will happen.

Any other downfalls of lowering besides less clearance, scrapping ect?

Wear and tear on the shocks and struts is big, as well as how much you feel the bumps you hit. My G5 is dropped 2.5", and I feel every single pebble in the road. So be well aware of that.

 

[my dreamt dsm]

I was told to buy
97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 MITSUBISHI DIAMANTE Ingalls Alignment Kit 35850

Car is 98 GSX.

Any other downfalls of lowering besides less clearance, scrapping ect?

Thanks for putting up for me I am just paraniod with this car and I can't afford anymore mishaps.

Understandable. Money don't come easy these days. Have you try looking into spc camber kit products?
For the rear you can just go cheapy and do the stm or buy your own stud kit that stm makes(put together should i say)
I don't know bout you but I bought tein's and called it a day. The rear isn't much of a factor since all the weight is in the front. I would worry about that first. BTW stm kit is only like 23 bucks.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I was told to buy
97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 MITSUBISHI DIAMANTE Ingalls Alignment Kit 35850

Car is 98 GSX.

Any other downfalls of lowering besides less clearance, scrapping ect?

Thanks for putting up for me I am just paraniod with this car and I can't afford anymore mishaps.

For you? Yes, buy the ingalls kit. That link has the incorrect photo but the part number matches. Shop around and purchase one of the 2 ingalls kits available for the rear. One has more adjustment than the other (i.e. comes with spacers). I got both sides for $70 shipped and I have the large adjustment ones.

At your level you ought not invite the headache and just go with the ingalls setup and not fret over a DIY setup.
http://www.ingallseng.com/35850-adjustable-rear-control-arm-mounting-kit.html
http://www.ingallseng.com/35860-adjustable-rear-control-arm-mounting-kit.html

I'd get the 35860 x2. Just not from them

 

[97gst_spyder]

Why not just get a Tokico AWD Spring/Strut setup? Lifetime warranty, name brand, rides great. Then do the washer mod in the rear for camber and call it a day. I bought used tires 3 months ago and even with the camber up front the tires still have 4/32th of an ic. As long as toe is 0* then your going to be fine. Toe is what kills your tires the fastest...

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Why not just get a Tokico AWD Spring/Strut setup? Lifetime warranty, name brand, rides great. Then do the washer mod in the rear for camber and call it a day. I bought used tires 3 months ago and even with the camber up front the tires still have 4/32th of an ic. As long as toe is 0* then your going to be fine. Toe is what kills your tires the fastest...

I thought that's what he's doing?

Edit: I've never noticed before, but the springs in the Tokico kits are now being called springtechs in some instances. I doubt it matters, I have no reason to believe the product has changed.

 

[97gst_spyder]

I was stating to get the matched set. So they are proven to work fine.

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

I have changed my mind on them. I have talked to some fello DSMERS and some rode with the tokico SPRINGS and they snapped on him. He said even before that they were rough too. Talked to my Dealership Mitsu Mechanic and he said to go with Eibach Pro Kits and either KYB shocks, tokico, or Sachs.

What you guys think?

 

[hyphyone]

Tein is ausome

kyb has a tendency to squeak after a while from my experience

 

[CLEANest98GSX]

I am still very torn.
Ok, I am either going to get Eibach Pro Kits and (Tokico HP Shocks/Struts I think) Lowers 1.3
I was told since the drop is so little that I might not need any camber kits. True?

OR

Tokico HP Shocks/Struts with Tokico HP Springs Lowers 1.75
Tokico Spring/Shock Kit - HPK - Lightning Motorsports - Made with bits of real lightning, so you know it's good !
Possibility needing cambers in the front and rear?

I hear that tokico struts are good but as far as springs, is there a noticable difference as far as ride quality?

Thanks for all the advice guys!

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I have changed my mind on them. I have talked to some fello DSMERS and some rode with the tokico SPRINGS and they snapped on him. He said even before that they were rough too. Talked to my Dealership Mitsu Mechanic and he said to go with Eibach Pro Kits and either KYB shocks, tokico, or Sachs.

What you guys think?

I think I would ignore that advice. The springs in the tokico kits are proven to be as reliable as any other. Stick to the plan unless you want something considerably more expensive.

What is your budget?