Last minute engine pulling questions on my 97 awd talon.

[AL92]

Ok,installing new 2.4 and new clutch ,etc.
A bit confused. Some guys say you can pull just the motor on the 2g awd,some say take tranny off first and some say pull both tranny and engine at same time.
Are all these ways possible. It would seem easiest to pull the engine only but it sure does look tight in there and don't want to wreck new clutch,tranny splines etc from trying to cut corners that maybe shouldn't be cut.

Also why do I have to unbolt the air compressor? Isn't it enough to just unbolt the lines from the back of it or should I disconnect the lines at front rad area also?
Can I leave alt and just unplug it or do I have to take alernator off as well?

Appreciate some more opinions on this.I have the usual engine cherry picker,few floor jacks and jackstands..etc.l

 

[wolf20043]

My personal preference is to pull both at once. It can be done any of the three ways you brought up, but by just pulling the motor, you need to pull everything from the timing side to get clearance. If you just pull the tranny first, it would make a bit more sense to pull the whole unit as one, just drop (or push the tranny down below the frame on the pass. side to get clearance on the timing side. The A/C compressor is easier to just unbolt when you have the motor high enough to get a hand back there. The alt. can just be left bolted on if you just unplug the wires to it.
Mike

 

[AL92]

I have most everything off my front of my motor. So why can't you just leave the ac on the engine and just unbolt those couple of lines on it and the electrical plug? Also will the engine clear the ac lines if they are still attached at front near rad?
I would think just unbolting the trans might work if support it with a floor jack and mabye then could get it out of way enough to pull engine..would I still have to unbolt starter it goes from trans thr to motor right?

This thing is a bit confusing and likely will be doing it all myself as buddies tend to disappear when the work gets harder!

 

[1fast97gsx]

Are the axels completely removed? I alway like to pull the trans first from the bottom and the engine second through the top. It takes a little more time but it's just safer. When I put it all back together I do them both at the same time with the trans first and then the engine. ( I have it all on an angle on the cherry picker to clear everything under the hood )

 

[boostedinaz]

ISo why can't you just leave the ac on the engine and just unbolt those couple of lines on it and the electrical plug? Also will the engine clear the ac lines if they are still attached at front near rad?

1 it is illegal to let the refrigerant out into the atmosphere.

2. It isn't good to let the system sit with nothing in it for a long period of time. So depend on how long it takes to do this swap it may cause problems.

3. The highside of the system is under a lot of pressure and you don't want to just open it.

4. You will have to have the system recharged after you get the car running again so that the A/C will work.

5. The A/C compressor is only help on by 4 bolts. You will watse more time, energy, and money by opening the system than just taking off the compressor.

Yes the motor will come out just fine with all the A/C lines intact.

 

[steel_3d]

I pulled mine with the tranny and engine together, and all the pulleys/accessories on the front still attached. It was a huge pain in the ass and the only way I got it to clear was by taking the end cap off the tranny. It was still a tight squeeze. The danger is that you bend some pulleys since it's so tight. The pulleys were definitely making contact with the frame, but I think I got lucky because they don't look bent. I think it was gentle enough contact.

I'm really debating putting it back in the same way. I would love to have all the accessories installed whith the engine on the stand, nice and comfy, install all the belts and tension them without wrecking my knuckles between the engine and the frame, and be doing it slower. Still debating...

My AC system was open already, but in your case I'd leave it closed. It's only 4 bolts on the compressor, not sure how hard they are to get to with the engine in the car...

How many people pull/install the engine and tranny separately? I'm a little weary of doing it that way since the awd tranny seems so much heavier than the fwd I'm used to, and even that was hard enough to line up. I also hate the fact that there's only one mount on the engine on the 2g's, and three on the tranny. Any idea what was the rationale behind that??

 

[44pirate]

I have most everything off my front of my motor. So why can't you just leave the ac on the engine and just unbolt those couple of lines on it and the electrical plug? Also will the engine clear the ac lines if they are still attached at front near rad?
I would think just unbolting the trans might work if support it with a floor jack and mabye then could get it out of way enough to pull engine..would I still have to unbolt starter it goes from trans thr to motor right?

This thing is a bit confusing and likely will be doing it all myself as buddies tend to disappear when the work gets harder!

You don't want to open your AC lines. Leave it pressured up. Unbolt the Compressor from the mounting bracket. There is a bracket holding the lines to the engine mount, loosen that also. Take out transfer case first. Just disconnect all wires from starter.

 

[wolf20043]

How many people pull/install the engine and tranny separately? I'm a little weary of doing it that way since the awd tranny seems so much heavier than the fwd I'm used to, and even that was hard enough to line up. I also hate the fact that there's only one mount on the engine on the 2g's, and three on the tranny. Any idea what was the rationale behind that??

I still did it with AWD with both connected, and it being an auto tranny (heavy as hell) was real weary of the weight, but My3 ton hoist with 2 ton balance handled it nicely. And it was with the motor complete (alt, starter, ect)
Mike

 

[steel_3d]

Actually what I meant in the section you quoted is pulling/reinstalling the tranny separately, and the fact that I don't like the weight of it (awd) and the configuration of the mounts (2g). Kinda miss my fwd 1g in that respect

So yeah I prefer doing it together too, just wanted to see if anyone prefers doing them separate.

I wouldn't be worried about the hoist's load capacity at all. The engine and tranny together are still probably well under half a ton.

 

[wolf20043]

I think you will actually get about the same amount of responses to both ways. Seems it is pretty even when it comes to that.
Mike