Lancer Evolution III Intake Manifold

[DSMunknown]

Now it's my thread. At least now the title suits the topic.

 

[97gstjosh]

So I don't remember if anyone posted this and I really don't want to scroll through 14 pages what wires are the 2gs using because don't you need longer wires to reach the coil pack?

 

[pboglio]

My EVO III intake manifold install is going just dandy. I've had more fun dropping the transmission. Gotta love those bolts under the manifold near the ends on the stock manifold. I went thru my entire toolbox and the only thing I think will work repeatedly well is a 12mm ratcheting wrench with the adjustable angle head. Surprisingly the bolts holding the manifold to the support bracket were a cinch to get off. I'd like to get the EVO manifold support bracket but I doubt its needed.

Anyways, I got it off and figured what the hell, might as well ditch 25 lbs and pull the A/C compressor & bracket off since my A/C condensor core has been pulled ages ago. I'm digging the less cluttered engine bay. I'm also seriously considering relocating the battery to the rear of the car. That damned thing frustrates me every time I work on the car.

I've got some port gasket matching to do still on the intake manifold, then the 63 mm 1g tbody w/half shaft goes on along with an Outlaw engineering full phenolic intake manifold/tbody spacer set. I'll post up a few pics and dsmlink datalogs once everything gets cleaned up and assembled.

 

[the_mork]

I HIGHLY recommend jacking the car up, dropping the downpipe, and taking the starter out to reach the four hard-to-reach bolts at the bottom of the manifold/head. I replaced my starter back last fall, and knew ahead of time it was a cinch. But I had somewhat forgotten how much room there was behind the block with the DP and starter out of the way. There is TONS of room for your greasy little hands when removing these two things. This especially goes for those of us who are under 5'6" or have thin arms or small hands. It was an absolute breeze to take off those four pesky bolts at the bottom when going from underneath.

I don't know if you had seen this earlier or if your t-case might be in the way, if so then don't mind me but I thought it might help.

 

[pboglio]

I didn't feel like getting under the car to be honest.

 

[AndrewD5418]

I'm trying to find an EVO3 IM.. Anybody have any leads on where to get them? It's either one of these or save up for beyond redline's new SMIM. Along with the TB.

 

[DSMunknown]

So I don't remember if anyone posted this and I really don't want to scroll through 14 pages what wires are the 2gs using because don't you need longer wires to reach the coil pack?

I used my regular 2G ME77 spark plug wire set from NGK without any issues. Look here for more info on the wires. So my answer would be no. Unless of course you are relocating the coil pack to a different location that's further away from the spark plugs.

 

[daren_p]

Yes, I think basically any 2g wire will work with the coil packs installed upright (the factory position on the evoIII mani). I run the Magnecors & I think their about the shortest wire out there for us. Their tight (can't use the wire seperator's) but it is doable.

I think I'll be ditching my FP1X cams for some FP2X's sometime in the future (probably be atleast next summer), so it will be interesting to see if the evoIII mani will keep that airflow increasing all the way to the redline, with the larger cams. I'd have to double check but with the 1x's, I think my airflow flatens out just over the 7000 mark.

 

[DSMunknown]

I'm having my extra flow tested against the ol' 2G.

 

[97gstjosh]

I'm trying to find an EVO3 IM.. Anybody have any leads on where to get them? It's either one of these or save up for beyond redline's new SMIM. Along with the TB.

I would look around if someone sees this post and they have an extra im sure they will inform you. I would wait to get an EvoIII mani bec that redline one looks like $900 of garbage and I wouldnt believe those dyno numbers at all

 

[wishihadatalon]

I would look around if someone sees this post and they have an extra im sure they will inform you. I would wait to get an EvoIII mani bec that redline one looks like $900 of garbage and I wouldnt believe those dyno numbers at all

Do you have an facts to support your extreme accusations?

 

[twicks69]

I would look around if someone sees this post and they have an extra im sure they will inform you. I would wait to get an EvoIII mani bec that redline one looks like $900 of garbage and I wouldnt believe those dyno numbers at all

OOOOOKKKK.

I am not someone on here that posts BS, nor skewed results. I post SOLID information that can benefit the people of this community as I don't want to see ALL OF YOU waste your money on different manifolds in the quest to make the MOST power.

I had over 50 dyno pulls on this manifold vs. my Magnus manifold and ONLY showed PROVEN RESULTS.... If you don't like it, well....I guess you aren't looking for one of the best manifolds on the market. PERIOD.

As well, it doesn't look good when you shit up a good thread with unbacked, biased opinions of a part you have never even seen, nor tested.

 

[pboglio]

Finally got my EVOIII intake manifold, bored 63mm throttlebody, and phenolic intake manifold/throttlebody spacers installed. Couple of weird things are happening. First thing is that on COLD tires, I'm getting wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gears. Second is that past 7100rpms the clutch is most definitely slipping. Finally, my airflow barely increased 1 lb/min if that, to around 39 lb/min.

I'm posting a log of mostly 1st gear WOT pulls, coming off a ticket you know Having mentioned the wheelspin and clutch slippage issues, it appears that I went from 306 h.p. previously to 334-345 h.p. at the crank in 1st gear. I had to get the tires warmed up pretty good to prevent the tire spinning but the clutch was consistently slipping past 7000 rpms and could be felt as a jerking sensation as it gained and lost bite, well past my power peak at any rate.

EGR removal has been pretty transparent so far, no issues yet. Part throttle power feels good, actually better in the 3000-4000 rpm band but again I did a bigger throttlebody and phenolic spacer at the same time as the manifold. Boost response is unaffected or so slight I couldn't detect it. Max power was mentioned but SOTP its getting nearly impossible to shift at 7000 rpm without overrevving or lighting up the tires in the first two gears, so something is going on powerwise

Overall some interesting results and when I have the chance I'd like to do a real datalog WOT pull from 1st thru 3rd gears on some decent racing gas. Overall a thumbs up but this manifold would benefit alot better with a bigger turbo than my little T28.

 

[pboglio]

Logged a couple WOT pulls in 1st and 2nd gear with tires and clutch warmed up a bit to prevent slippage. This run was solid as the tires were gripping nice and good and the clutch was holding fine thanks to some engine heat transferring to the clutch.

Upon review of some of my fastest balls out race gas tuned logs, it appears that on pump gas with the MAF in place and pump gas fuel/timing I'm pulling as much power in 2nd gear as I did on race gas, speed density/MAF removed, higher ignition timing, lean A/Fs, and 30*F colder temps. Right around 375 h.p. in 2nd gear. Usually that number in 2nd gear nets about 390-400 h.p. in 3rd gear based on my previous DSMLink logs.

Over the next week or two I'll log a run with my race gas tune and speed density setup in place and finally a run with the temps 30*F colder so I can do an exact direct comparison of my fastest logs. I'd expect about 400 h.p. crank in 2nd gear.

On another note, man the throttle response is nice now. I don't know if its the combination of EVOIII ported intake manifold, bigger throttlebody, or phenolic spacers but getting off the line used to be a bit of a chore before. Now it feels just like my STi with its big torquey 2.5 Liter motor.

The removal of the stock 2g intake manifold was nothing short of a HUGE pain in the ass. With the EVOIII intake manifold in place and the EGR and various other trivial stuff removed I could pull this manifold in 15 minutes if I had to swap a gasket or something routine like that. Every manifold bolt is easily accessible from the drivers side thanks to the shorter runners. This is a huge convenience mod.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Logged a couple WOT pulls in 1st and 2nd gear with tires and clutch warmed up a bit to prevent slippage. This run was solid as the tires were gripping nice and good and the clutch was holding fine thanks to some engine heat transferring to the clutch.

Upon review of some of my fastest balls out race gas tuned logs, it appears that on pump gas with the MAF in place and pump gas fuel/timing I'm pulling as much power in 2nd gear as I did on race gas, speed density/MAF removed, higher ignition timing, lean A/Fs, and 30*F colder temps. Right around 375 h.p. in 2nd gear. Usually that number in 2nd gear nets about 390-400 h.p. in 3rd gear based on my previous DSMLink logs.

Over the next week or two I'll log a run with my race gas tune and speed density setup in place and finally a run with the temps 30*F colder so I can do an exact direct comparison of my fastest logs. I'd expect about 400 h.p. crank in 2nd gear.

On another note, man the throttle response is nice now. I don't know if its the combination of EVOIII ported intake manifold, bigger throttlebody, or phenolic spacers but getting off the line used to be a bit of a chore before. Now it feels just like my STi with its big torquey 2.5 Liter motor.

The removal of the stock 2g intake manifold was nothing short of a HUGE pain in the ass. With the EVOIII intake manifold in place and the EGR and various other trivial stuff removed I could pull this manifold in 15 minutes if I had to swap a gasket or something routine like that. Every manifold bolt is easily accessible from the drivers side thanks to the shorter runners. This is a huge convenience mod.

Awesome information and experiences.
The thing I can't stand the most about a 2g GSX is how, as you mentioned, like a chore it is to get moving. Very cool about the increase in driveability and the convenience.

How much boost are you running?

By the sounds of it you're getting the most out of your T28 and you're well beyond the 2100 w/ street disk now.

 

[pboglio]

Installed an FP race exhaust manifold last night. Boost is set to spike at 25 psi, then dropping to 21 psi at redline. Power in 2nd gear has now jumped up to 390 h.p. Its a perfect compliment to the EVOIII intake manifold as the combination of short runner intake manifold and header style exhaust manifold has pushed my power peak from 5950 rpms to about 6350 rpms, with torque holding great all the way up to 7000 rpms. I'm also running speed density with the MAF removed to push my turbos choke limit a little higher.

I guess my point is the EVOIII intake manifold needs some good cams, a good header style exhaust manifold, big exhaust to really show the differences over the stock 2g intake manifold.

 

[DSMunknown]

^ Have also been thinking about getting an FP manifold, but altered at the collector with a external 'gate flange to help combat creep and spike seen with the E316G. It's either that or do the AWGA mod. But that's an entirely different discussion.

 

[gofer]

finally got dans evo III installed on my 2g and im loving the results! dan helped with the install, well, pretty much did the install minus a few things he needed help with. THANKS DAN!!!! i couldn't be more happier with the install either...

heres pictures of the install... enjoy!

evo III intake manifold, evo III coil pack, 1g 60mm tb w/ a 2g fiav, 2g ported elbow, and gaskets

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dan having fun...

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using a coat hanger to pull up on the wrench on those bottom bolts, what a pita!

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after a few beers and some busted up knuckles the stocker 2g intake manifold is out! and its time to pull all the sockets and bolts ive dropped back there over the last few years...

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comparing the manifold...

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installing the eIII manifold and while we were at it we changed out that ugly stock valve cover for a 1g stocker that i got from a friend

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install was A LOT faster than removing the stock manifold since you have some room to work with back there. heres the finished product after a quick run to kragen to pick up some vacuum line for emissions. dan even tucked my wires so it looks way clean now too!

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thanks again dan, id still be taking off the stock intake mani if you wouldn't have helped man. happy thanksgiving btw!

 

[z24frank]

Looks very good!What parts of SD are you guys in?

 

[gofer]

im in ocean beach and my buddy that totaled his GSX and sold me 90% of his car is up in escondido.

 

[sd_ff22]

I'm just glad its going to a good guy. The install went well and the car woke up a bit more. Shes definitely coming together. How is everyone else in this thread? Anthony? Derek? Daren?

 

[daren_p]

I'm just glad its going to a good guy. The install went well and the car woke up a bit more. Shes definitely coming together. How is everyone else in this thread? Anthony? Derek? Daren?

No updates from me, car went away abit early this year for winter hibernation, broke the tranny at the track around the 20th of Oct or something, normally goes away a week or two later. So next year the car will be spinning 4 wheels instead of two & when I gather some cash back up (awd swap sure adds up when your rebuilding everything better then stock & most of the stuff your not, your buying brand new ) I'll probably up my cam size abit as fwd emissions testing was holding me back (which will no longer be an issue). I also don't need to worry about fabing up a custom EGR setup anymore, as it won't be needed. I was planning on swapping to FP2X's (currently running FP1X's for those who don't know) to help out on the top end, but looks like their no longer available from FP. So not sure what I'll end up going with but it will be interesting to see if I continue to see airflow gains all the way to my 7500 redline with the new cams, as I'm think the 1X's being a midrange cam are the current limiting factor. Even with the 1X's wasn't seeing airflow level off till 7200rpm.

 

[z24frank]

I think this is my next mod,now I just have to find one at a fair price.

 

[the_mork]

I assume you have two cars?

I just ask because your profile is for a 1g and I would hate to see you buy something that you can't use.

I apologize if this warning isn't necessary.

 

[fwdmaster]

I think this is my next mod,now I just have to find one at a fair price.

You can't use this intake manifold, the evo intake manifold is meant for a 2g,because there intake ports are the same,while a 1g intake ports are bigger