Killed a 3000GT tonite..but have a ?..im N/T sooo..

[9D9 MITSU RS]

So they have 3 different setups in the 3KGT? I thought they were either FWD V6 or the VR4. If your 5.9 dodge gets walked by a 3KGT, it's probably not the V6. A GS-T runs like mid 14s stock. The DOHC V6 3KGT has the just 12 more HP and more weight. That puts it at being slower.

Someone show me pics that show 3 different engines in a 3KGT. I don't believe that shit.

And don't be a dumbass? He'll eat me alive? Spare me the bench racing. I never claimed I could beat him. I said that I have beaten NA 3KGTs before. Others are posting the same. Do you think that it is that coincedental? My car isn't by any means fast. So they run mid 14s? Bullshit. Maybe with some mods. Stock? HELL NO. Never heard of it. My car is auto. Maybe the 1s I've had try were shitty drivers or had autos. Still, a mid 14 sec. car with an auto makes for what? 15s? Oh well. I'm out of this 1. Dumbass stuff? . 3KGT NA running mid 14s STOCK? Who's talking?

Maybe I will learn something new. I have never seen a quick STOCK NA 3000GT. I find 14s unbelievable. Maybe mid 15s.

 

[GSGoinFast]

I bought a 95 Eclipse RS new in 95, and I just bought my Son a 95 Eclipse GS and my car is in my sig, with just BPUs. I'll run you from a roll or from a dead stop any time. Don't get me wrong, I love the Eclipse, that's why I've bought 2 but an 4 cylinder NA Eclipse is not going to hang with a DOHC NA 3000GT.

i will take you up on that any day. there is no way you would take me, im sorry but noo way. 222 crank hp compared to my 225+ crank... plus weight difference.. ya. my friend has a 93 3kGT with the V6 DOHC and he barely barely pulls on me when im not spraying. would have sprayed on him but i was unaware my foot had kicked my arming switch wire and disconnected it

sorry mike, the DOHC run 15.5 tops in the 1/4 stock. i think the 15.8 is for the dohc. my friend barely pulled on me when we were both stock. now he has exaust and filter, and i have i/e/udp and he still barely pulls there not that fast. and those little races that he pulled on me were from a stop. hes manual too. i ate a 3k on the highway.

 

[GSGoinFast]

I have a 94 Base 3000GT. 3L 6cyl 24V DOHC, 222hp @ 6000rpm, 205 lbs ft torque@ 4500rpm and it weighs 3,197 lbs I have a 5 speed Manual Trany. I have BPUs


2nd Gen NA Eclipse has a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder engine with 140-horsepower with 130 or 148 lbs ft torque depending on which engine and weighed 2767


If you think the difference of 430 lbs will overcome the hp and torque difference I'd say pass the pipe.

I'd take him if he left the spray alone. Also in his quote he said a 3000GT would ba easy for a NA Eclipse.

I said NT eclipse, Non Turbo and spray is not a turbo

430lbs is a pretty big differnces. isnt it something like an average of .1 seconds faster for every 100lbs? i think its something in that range.

 

[19Eclipse90]

Okay, wow, this is ugly.
1st and 2nd gen 3kgt N/T's will walk all over any N/T Eclipse STOCK FOR STOCK. I don't care about power to weight ratios, in this case it's all B/S. My brother owns a 96 3kgt with 160K miles on it, and it still pulls hard as a mofo, plain out whipped my N/T from a stop, and took the GST from a roll.

His mods were SBC TZ clutch, VR4 Exhaust, and intake.
My mods were slipping clutch, leaky exhaust manifold, and completely used up air filter.

By no means are these cars slow. They run, as previously stated, high 14 to low 15 second quarter miles stock while a stock N/T will, also as previously stated run a 16 second quarter. Stock GST's run about the same as the 3kgt.

It could have very well been a Stealth SOHC converted to a 3000GT body, since the 3kgt rear looks so much better. Or a SOHC engine dropped into it for economy reasons. Otherwise, I don't know... sucky driver, I guess.

::edit:: Oh and my bro's best run was a 15.3 at 97 mph I believe, and that was back when he was stock. Hasn't gotten to run it since.

 

[pinknuggit]

If your 5.9 dodge gets walked by a 3KGT, it's probably not the V6.

yeah, it is a v6 that walks on me. My truck timed a 15.6 at tulsa raceway park.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

I always refused to race on principle, All these cowboys and muscle car freaks would come to me wanna race wanna race...shit this guy in a 69impalla with a 454 wanted to race...im like naw wast of gas. Well now that my mods are done and my car is fast as hell I race Fords, Doge, Pontiac...And you know what walked all over that impalla. As soon as I can get to billings I am going to get my time down and post the slip. I cant wait. I am tired of not having a diggi cam that works or a scanner. Would go right out and buy a new one but most of my money is invested. You guys should see my car it has changed so much. I have a NX wide body kit on the way and thats going on next. The way I figure it I dont like body kits that much, But the GST is stock body and well I might as well have somthing different for my GS


Sorry for spelling I just woke up and cant think worth a damn

 

[Tool Man]

i will take you up on that any day. there is no way you would take me, im sorry but noo way. 222 crank hp compared to my 225+ crank... plus weight difference.. ya. my friend has a 93 3kGT with the V6 DOHC and he barely barely pulls on me when im not spraying. would have sprayed on him but i was unaware my foot had kicked my arming switch wire and disconnected it

sorry mike, the DOHC run 15.5 tops in the 1/4 stock. i think the 15.8 is for the dohc. my friend barely pulled on me when we were both stock. now he has exaust and filter, and i have i/e/udp and he still barely pulls there not that fast. and those little races that he pulled on me were from a stop. hes manual too. i ate a 3k on the highway.

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Now, GSGoinFast If your buddy still takes you without the spray, what makes you think I wouldn't? I have very few go fast mods, but still a few more than him(as you have them listed). My car is newer and I'd bet much less miles. You also have to remember HP is not the end all of a race, What was it that Carol Shelby said, "Horse Power sells cars, Torque wins races"

 

[miamieclipse]

Chris he meant stock for stock, not u wit ure spray .

There are 3 different 3000GT models, the v6 sohc (slowest of them all, we can take them stock for stock) v6 dohc (they will beat us stock, now some above mentioned they raced a 3kgt dohc and beat it, well he most was prolly stock). The 2 models i have already mentioned are both fwd, now comes the biggest brother, the vr4 a twin turbocharged awd (lets not even start so hehe :laugh: )

Yes my friend in a dohc v6 ran a 15.1 stock, since then he has intake, cat-back, upgraded clutch and ran a 14.55 now a stock n/t eclipse runs low 16s stock with a cat-back, upgraded clutch and intake and some good as hell driving you may get a mid-high 15 see the difference? I love our cars, hell i baby my elleanor to death. Now with nitrous or a turbo this turns a complete different story........Tool Man was talking stock for stock, thats the thing i think you guys didn't notice.

 

[Tool Man]

Chris he meant stock for stock, not u wit ure spray .

There are 3 different 3000GT models, the v6 sohc (slowest of them all, we can take them stock for stock) v6 dohc (they will beat us stock, now some above mentioned they raced a 3kgt dohc and beat it, well he most was prolly stock). The 2 models i have already mentioned are both fwd, now comes the biggest brother, the vr4 a twin turbocharged awd (lets not even start so hehe :laugh: )

Yes my friend in a dohc v6 ran a 15.1 stock, since then he has intake, cat-back, upgraded clutch and ran a 14.55 now a stock n/t eclipse runs low 16s stock with a cat-back, upgraded clutch and intake and some good as hell driving you may get a mid-high 15 see the difference? I love our cars, hell i baby my elleanor to death. Now with nitrous or a turbo this turns a complete different story........Tool Man was talking stock for stock, thats the thing i think you guys didn't notice.

Yep, I even said not with the spray. Thanks for the support, it's nice being new and everyone not jumping down my throat. As I said before, I love the Eclipse, great car, that's why I've owned 2. Just for the record, I have an intake, test pipe, MSD super conductor wires, NGK Plats, grounding kit (yes they do help) upgraded clutch, Intrax springs (helps alot with wheel hop and traction) and wider than stock tires, also helps with traction.. Like I said, not alot, but good for a few HP and better launch from the line.

 

[miamieclipse]

Tool Man, please post your mods in your profile, that profile we have isn't meant to show off but it helps dsm'ers decipher an answer if you ask a question about why something isn't working, or what mod to do next? thanks Yes 3000GT's are pretty quick cars, although with the spray i will eat a dohc hehe,

BTW Gsgoinfast (aka chris) raced a 3kgt when his nitrous was out, so he was not spraying, if he was it would have been a diff story

Welcome to the board

 

[Tool Man]

Yeah, NO2 will make a big difference, no doubt. I went ahead and listed the mods just because, although I go to 3SI.org for my 3000GT needs. I came here to learn more about the car I bought my Son, the 95 Eclipse GS. He's lurking on here as Surf Thrasher. Thanks for the welcome.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

I am not trying to be a dick, But I would love to race a 3KGT Twin Turbo that would be a fun race

 

[Tool Man]

I am not trying to be a dick, But I would love to race a 3KGT Twin Turbo that would be a fun race

Why is that being a Dick. You're not saying you would kill it, or eat it alive, you just said you'd like to race one. Looking at you profile, I'm sure there a lot of VR4s you'd eat up, but there are a lot of them you wouldn't. Nice setup by the way.

 

[NyteDSM96]

So they have 3 different setups in the 3KGT? I thought they were either FWD V6 or the VR4. If your 5.9 dodge gets walked by a 3KGT, it's probably not the V6. A GS-T runs like mid 14s stock. The DOHC V6 3KGT has the just 12 more HP and more weight. That puts it at being slower.

Someone show me pics that show 3 different engines in a 3KGT. I don't believe that shit.

And don't be a dumbass? He'll eat me alive? Spare me the bench racing. I never claimed I could beat him. I said that I have beaten NA 3KGTs before. Others are posting the same. Do you think that it is that coincedental? My car isn't by any means fast. So they run mid 14s? Bullshit. Maybe with some mods. Stock? HELL NO. Never heard of it. My car is auto. Maybe the 1s I've had try were shitty drivers or had autos. Still, a mid 14 sec. car with an auto makes for what? 15s? Oh well. I'm out of this 1. Dumbass stuff? . 3KGT NA running mid 14s STOCK? Who's talking?

Maybe I will learn something new. I have never seen a quick STOCK NA 3000GT. I find 14s unbelievable. Maybe mid 15s.

i agree w/ u, the most that car could do is probably sumwat low 15's

 

[NyteDSM96]

I said NT eclipse, Non Turbo and spray is not a turbo

430lbs is a pretty big differnces. isnt it something like an average of .1 seconds faster for every 100lbs? i think its something in that range.

i believe the conversion is 50lbs is equal to one hp

 

[leakyfaucet]

i believe the conversion is 50lbs is equal to one hp

More like 10 pounds is 1hp.

 

[Ryans99OZ]

i believe the conversion is 50lbs is equal to one hp

one hp or .1 seconds??...i think its 50lbs= .1 sec ..could be wrong tho

 

[miamieclipse]

i was under hte beleif that 100lb's = .1 sec

 

[19Eclipse90]

i agree w/ u, the most that car could do is probably sumwat low 15's

I do believe that the fastest stock DOHC ran a 14.9.

:edit: I thought the conversion was 100lbs = 8hp

 

[leakyfaucet]

10 pounds ~ 1hp ~ .01 seconds

 

[GSGoinFast]

Now, GSGoinFast If your buddy still takes you without the spray, what makes you think I wouldn't? I have very few go fast mods, but still a few more than him(as you have them listed). My car is newer and I'd bet much less miles. You also have to remember HP is not the end all of a race, What was it that Carol Shelby said, "Horse Power sells cars, Torque wins races"

doubt the much less miles, he only has 32k 12 year old car with only 32k miles!!! he got a good find. oh yeah he also has an upgraded clutch. your right horsepower isnt the end of all races, torque and weight are huge too, and i think you loose the weight part

Chris he meant stock for stock, not u wit ure spray .

i try and make myself feel bigger

sorry for starting that whole .1 hp or 100lbs 50 hamsters 10 ponies stuff... lets drop that.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Tool Man nice engine bay, very clean. im impressed

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

I have never seen or raced a SOHC 1. Early models only? The DOHC is comparable to the 2GNT, but wouldn't kick our ass. Seen it too many times.

 

[Tool Man]

Tool Man nice engine bay, very clean. im impressed

Thanks, I still have some work to do, but it's getting there. Since I am on the slower side of fast (yes I know the NA doesn't beat any speed records) I want to try and look as good as possible.

I have never seen or raced a SOHC 1. Early models only? The DOHC is comparable to the 2GNT, but wouldn't kick our ass. Seen it too many times.

The SOHC came in all Stealth Base models, and 97+ Base 3000GTs.

 

[Slo93N/T]

Hey Tool Man... its good too see another 3/S'er on here setting everyone straight I'm Blk963kgt from 3SI by the way.......
The thing I still don't get is why you all still think that we are so heavy? My car weighs maybe 3200 lbs.. a 2G AWD DSM weighs in at 3270 according to edmunds.com... And a 2G GS-T weighs 2970... thats not that much of a weight difference.
The stock N/T DSM is not even is not even a race for a DOHC n/t 3000gt.... I have raced my friends 99 GS from a stop when my clutch was slipping bad and I had 0 mods and my car was badly out of tune... I shifted at 5500 rpms and my clutch slipped hardcore...... I took him by at least 2 cars... and now it would not be pretty at all for him....
A N/A DOHC 3000GT is more of a race for a stock GS-T or a GSX.... I have taken down my little brothers 1990 GS-T (19eclipse90) and do not even attempt to race N/A DSM's anymore..... its just not fun... I like a challenge...
A high 14 is very possible for a stock DOHC 3000GT... I myself ran a 15.3 at 92.32 completely stock slipping clutch and out of tune....
Most of the times I have seen for N/T DSM with I/H/E have still been in the low 16's hi 15's....
Neither are really fast cars right out of the box... the 3000GT is faster though.... They both have potential with the Turbo systems available..... I myself am hoping for a TT conversion in the near future.....

And N/A DSM guys... if you see a 3000GT with projector headlights, hoop spoiler similar to a 97-99 DSM, and ugly 16 in stock wheels... race them... its probly a SOHC and you should be able to beat it good....