Just Curious.. has anybody else had this issue?

[rush2252]

Hey I forgot about this until it came time to update my tag on my 2g talon. My car has an Oklahoma assigned VIN# its like OK907XXX and its on a lead plate on the driver door jamp definately not original as opposed tothe normal 17 digit VIN. The VIN is still on the door jamb but the plate on the dash has been removed. I work at a local PD so I ran the VIN on the door jamb and it shows it never existed.

I was told by the tag agency that this is a strange case because the car has a green title and has had only 2 previous owners. The original owner purchased the car from the dealer and the VIN was missing then the tag office stated that its possible that this was one of the few cars produced in the mid 90s that got incorrect VIN plates that didnt match the actual assigned VIN on the door jamb. Any input on this guys? Im only 23 I was born in 85 so I was only ten when this happend but an older dispatcher said she recalls a HUGE ordeal with some VIN errors that had people panicking in the mid to early 90's



Thanks!
Kolby

 

[TALONTRAX]

There has to be an original 17 digit vin. on the title or bill of sale that can be tracked. Also, if you look around the car, there are several"confidential" vin #`s on various body parts - check the driver`s door jamb, there should be a bar coded sticker in there from the factory . . .

 

[rush2252]

There has to be an original 17 digit vin. on the title or bill of sale that can be tracked. Also, if you look around the car, there are several"confidential" vin #`s on various body parts - check the driver`s door jamb, there should be a bar coded sticker in there from the factory . . .

Durka Durka.. Read my post again. I stated the door jamb sticker still shows the VIN but it doenst show it as active at ANY dealer or through our system at the POLICE DEPT where I work or through the Feds for that matter. Im wandering if any other DSMs have ran into this.

Kolby

 

[Jdog]

The VIN number doesnt exist in any police database but yet the one in the door jam shows that it has had 2 previous owners. The VIN plate that is supposed to be on the dash is nonexistant. No I haven't heard of any problem like this, how did they register the car as 2 previous owners if the VIN doesnt show up in the PD database?

 

[98gsxtuner]

The problem is his car really has no way of being identafied,it show the car doesnt exist. How do you not see the problem there?

 

[snowborder714]

Have you looked elsewhere for the VIN number? Like, the transmission?

 

[rush2252]

The VIN number doesnt exist in any police database but yet the one in the door jam shows that it has had 2 previous owners. The VIN plate that is supposed to be on the dash is nonexistant. No I haven't heard of any problem like this, how did they register the car as 2 previous owners if the VIN doesnt show up in the PD database?

aND To all other prior posts.. I can run the tag# and the OK assigned VIN its stamped on a piece of lead just above the sticker as previously stated OK9070XXX it comes back to the 2 previous owners and title transfers. I see the original 17digit VIN but its invalid i.e never existed etc etc etc...the VIN is there and I can run it through every resource possible and it says Not on File Invalid VIN etc etc etc

I can track the vehicle back all the way to the first Dealer from the Oklahoma assigned VIN. Is this making any sense now? Apparently people arent reading what I wrote. I SEE THE NORMAL VIN it just doesnt register in ANY system DPS DOT PD FBI etc etc etc. I was wandering WTF?? WTF

Kolby

This is the issue MY DSM unlike any other is referred to as OK907XXX instead of the 1GXXXXXXXXXXX like the normal peoples.

 

[snowborder714]

Try calling a dealer and see what they say.

 

[rush2252]

Try calling a dealer and see what they say.

I did this the first week I had the car. I picked the car up and was told the Title had to be "found" I bought it from a friend so no worries. I was dumbfounded whenever I took a look at the title it was green and in the VIN location it said "OK907XXX". My intentions after purchasing the car for $500 were to flip it and make money off of it. THe first thing that came to mind was how am I going to explain this to possible buyers.

So I called the dealer on recall info. I gave them the VIN the guy said sorry I dont show that VIN ever existed/ or has been blocked. Called mistu dodge etc. I scratched my head. I was trying to find out if the ball joint recall and fuel pump seal recall had been performed because if not It was still supposed to be performed for free and would have saved me some cash.

That is what brought this up. And the fact that I have thought about selling the DSM one day and am hoping I can give a good explanation to WHY it has and unusual VIN.

Kolby

 

[donniekak]

I would contact the OK title office that issued the vin.
By the way, you have attempted to violate the conservation of dsm. Dsm's cannot create money, only destroy it.

 

[tha one]

ok the vin on the dash is not on the data base so you got bootleg doors 5.0

 

[rush2252]

ok the vin on the dash is not on the data base so you got bootleg doors 5.0

No no and no.. read my first post. The VIN plate on the dash has been removed. The VIN sticker that shows VIN/GVW/BDY COLOR/TIRE PRESSURE on the door jamb is there. And no the door jambs were cut off another car. Only when I run the VIN on the sticker it doesnt exist like it was never entered into the Federal Vehicle database. Instead there is a lead stamp with OK9607902 and then its also scribed into the door with punches. Soo yes I know the "original" VIN but the funny thing is instead of showing the VIN to be replaced with OK9607902 it just shows as nonexistent. And I know that I dont have some ONE off DSM that has a stupid lead plate VIN on the door. Makes no sense.

Kolby

PS I will post a few pics tomorrow to clarify. I will try to snap a shot of the green title as well. I tried tonite but its too dark.

"I would contact the OK title office that issued the vin.
By the way, you have attempted to violate the conservation of dsm. Dsm's cannot create money, only destroy it."

Im well aware of this now.. My DSM piggy bank is running on E

 

[snowborder714]

Would you mind sending me the VIN? I want to take a look at it.

 

[tha one]

ok lets forget the vin for now there's a code on the fire wall not on the vin that same code sould be under the cars door take a look

 

[rush2252]

Heres a pic it turned out better than I expected for being at nite. Snow Ill send you the VIN tomorrow I dont think you can Make it out in the pic and im in bed at the moment.

PM me and remind me
Kolby

In the pic you can see the added vin plate at the top and the original sticker on the jamb. It has the same ID code on the tranny and on the badge under the hood. This car is a numbers matching 2 owner + me of course

 

[ilco187]

i had a sorta ordeal like this on a previous 1g it had no vin plate and no door sticker but i had the title and when they pulled the vin the car came back as a AWD and really it was a FWD so i never knew what the real vin was but i still got all the legal stuff, i have bought several dsms with no stickers and no titles i just swap my legal vin and bam on the road i am

 

[AWD-TSI]

The only time I have seen this is when we got my friends integra. It was a salvaged car and we repaired it and got it retitled. When we retitled it they removed the vin off the dash and stamed us a new one.( much shorter). They put the new plate in the door jam. this was in Kansas. But it might be something similar with your car. hope this helps

 

[DSM1G90]

Yours should begin as a "4E3CT" being the EagleAWD ... there are other ways to find the vin: (course, this is on my 1G vehicles) When you open the rear hatch, There should be a sticker around the back hinge area of the hatch that contains the vehicle VIN number.

What about the VIN in the position of the left side of the dash in that section that can be read through the windshield?

The VIN should also be on that sticker with the "zebra stripe" bar code stuck on the door jam below the door catch. (along with the MDH reading in the lower left showing the month, day and hour when the car was built.)

 

[rush2252]

Is EVERYONE who replies failing to read my original post. The car isnt a salvage or rebuilt title. Its GREEN that means good Orange is Salvage here in OK and the DPS has never dont an inspection on a rebuild. It was originally bought from a dealer with the stamped VIN not the sticker.... Heres a pic

The VIN on the door jamb is a 4E3AL54F7SE001698 try running that and see IF you can get any info. Its not in the PD database or DPS database. The tag agency cant pull it and it wouldnt show up on Carfax. Now if you run the OK9607902 it pulls all the info. Title transfers etc...

Kolby

EDIT** You will also notice its manufactured in Mar 94. To my knowledge any car w a build date of august or later would make it the following year. For example a vehicle built in august of 94 would be a 95 but this one is a 95 built in March..... This car is a 2g stated as a 95 on the title. The odd thing is its EPROM and my Genysis scanner reads it as a 96. It wont communicate if I insert the 8th for year and 10th for Engine or vice versa according to the VIN on the sticker. It says communications error check power and retry. If I run it as a 96 Eclipse then it pulls information fine WTF

VIN on dash is GONE Removed There is a spot where it was but no VIN

 

[Jdog]

Stolen and then the ECU was exchanged as well?? *shrug You said you got this from a friend right? Does he have anything to say about it?

 

[TALONTRAX]

CARFAX vehicle history for VIN 4E3AL54F7SE001698

 

[rush2252]

Already ran a CARFAX and wasted $30.00 it states the car was assigned Oklahoma title number in 1995 before it was sold. It doesnt say why though.. Did you notice the build date of March 1994?


-Kolby

 

[rush2252]

Stolen and then the ECU was exchanged as well?? *shrug You said you got this from a friend right? Does he have anything to say about it?

Nope I ran it throught the stolen vehicles database at the PD. It will pop on any vehicle thats ever been reported stolen and it said INVALID VIN. It was owned by an older gentleman. He then sold it to a car lot where it sat for quite awhile then My friend bought the car. She bombshelled the Xfercase and then it just sat for like 5 years. I picked it up for $500.00 and got it running. The ECU is original EPROM. Im just stating the build date is March of 1994. That doesnt seem right. Look at the MDHD numbers in the VIN sticker pic

Kolby

 

[dragonforce]

So the vehicle has used parts from junk yards?
i bought some parts cars in past. after i parted out and junk the shell, i bring the tile to a dmv and tell them i junked it.

 

[blackbetty]

Seriously.. the original post was not hard to understand at all..

Maybe OK had no other choice other than to register the car with their own VIN because the car never received a VIN in the first place.. and they just threw in a projected build date? seems possible