Is FWD worth modding???

[Blitz]

Originally posted by NosLaser
I think the point that rdrkt was making was that the guys arguing on the side of the FWD's all have 14 second cars. Then a few random people chime in hiding behind other people's accomplishments and using them as examples in an argument. So far, I'm about the only one in here who has actually owned an over 400 wheel HP fwd. I can attest to a lot of the things rdrkt is saying as fact. Yes, the car was a killer from a roll and would likely have been one heck of a run for his car, but from a slower speed, there was no hope.

Regards,

What times did your car run? Can you post that dyno sheet?

 

[NosLaser]

And I see your point so again I will reitterate the fact that you need to decide what kind of racing you enjoy. I enjoyed racing on the highway, and had to respectfully decline and take a lot of smack talk when people wanted to race from a stop and I said I could only go from a roll. If you are building the car up to be fast everywhere, then you are going to have a very hard time with a FWD; it's just not as versatile. I think they are worth modding, but again, that's the type of racing I did. I wasn't discrediting your point, just offering realistic insight.

Regards,

 

[NosLaser]

Car made 423 wheel HP, 428 wheel TQ. Ran a crappy 12.80 at 129 at the track; I never really ran the car at the track for good ET's, just to establish mph. I do not have the dyno sheet on the computer, and the only printed copy was burned in the fire at The DSM Shop. The car was dyno'ed at Wright Touch Racing. Small 16g, Web Cams, nitrous, 660's, AFC, Walbro 255LPH HP pump, etc. Here is a link to the video of my burnout and my 1/4 mile pass when I had a small shot of spray, stock cams, and 550cc injectors. The car ran 12.80 at 118 on this video. It's geocities so the viewing pleasure won't last long.

http://www.geocities.com/noslaser/burnout.mpeg

http://www.geocities.com/noslaser/12-8quarter.mpeg

Regards,

 

[FourG63 97GST]

wow, that thing was mean!!

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I love top end racing therefore GsT owns

 

[robvas]

What did you do different on the 129mph pass that you didn't do on the 118mph pass?

Were you using a front mount?

Originally posted by NosLaser
Car made 423 wheel HP, 428 wheel TQ. Ran a crappy 12.80 at 129 at the track; I never really ran the car at the track for good ET's, just to establish mph. I do not have the dyno sheet on the computer, and the only printed copy was burned in the fire at The DSM Shop. The car was dyno'ed at Wright Touch Racing. Small 16g, Web Cams, nitrous, 660's, AFC, Walbro 255LPH HP pump, etc. Here is a link to the video of my burnout and my 1/4 mile pass when I had a small shot of spray, stock cams, and 550cc injectors. The car ran 12.80 at 118 on this video. It's geocities so the viewing pleasure won't last long.

 

[NosLaser]

The major changes were going from a 50 shot to an 80 shot, installing Web cams, 660cc injectors (made a HUGE difference) and then the requisite tuning differences. Believe it or not, the car never had a front mount. I actually used the factory side mount AND the factory rubber IC piping with the stock 1G throttle body elbow. On the spray, I'm sure the intercooler was just along for the ride anyway as the majority of cooling was accomplished with the nitrous.

Regards,

 

[GSX4LIFE]

Originally posted by germain101
GSX4LIFE: is that 12.575 @ 115.220 mph what you are running on your current set up???

No. This was before the translator, bigger injectors and new UICP. I havnt run it yet.


"Lol!! Getting off of Dave's d*ck for a min. You would realize that you have blown the argument way out of hand. We are talking about cars with similar setups. I wouldn't really consider Dave's car the average car that you would run into on the street. That's just like saying "The Extreme Talon would Walk anyone on this board" DUH. We're talking about average joe's here not the SuperFast DSM's"



Im good friends wiht Dave. I dont have to swing from his nuts like uh, some people. I drove daves car, you havnt. Dave is just like amny people on this board. Hell, I have about the same money into mine. He just knew where to go for good pricing. And it still doesnt matter. FWDs are fun. AWDs win almost every time.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE

Im good friends wiht Dave. I dont have to swing from his nuts like uh, some people. I drove daves car, you havnt. Dave is just like amny people on this board. Hell, I have about the same money into mine. He just knew where to go for good pricing. And it still doesnt matter. FWDs are fun. AWDs win almost every time.

Never said i drove his car just you make it seem like "his" car is superior to all on this board. Most of us that are aruging points are using our own cars as examples, Not household DSM's

 

[MrPikolo]

alright guys, a simple question was asked, is a fwd worth modding? The obvious answer is yes.

What is the matter with some of you? You guys seem to take every lil chance to argue about fwd vs awd. When will you guys get it that it is moslty a personal prefrence based on their goals and desires?!

Congrats on hi-jacking an 2 month old thread and most likly getting it locked.

 

[NosLaser]

Congratulations on perpetuating the argument and not adding anything useful to boot!

Regards,

 

[jdmawd]

wonderful another 5 page example of my car is better then you're car

 

[bodymandave]

FWD is great for my wifes daily driver.
AWD will kill 99% of the same setup FWD'rs. (in drag race)you cats know this. now shut up. besides,if we wanted to play highway kings, we would of bought
supras.

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

this is why I bought one of each...

2G turbo SpYder, cuz they are quick, and DEAD sexy...

and a 1G GSX, cuz they can be STUPID SICK fast, and 5K AWD launches are the SHIT...


besides... I couldn't decide between the O-Z racing F1 cups, and the Volk TE-37s... so I just got two cars, and now I can run both...

 

[Goro21]

Originally posted by bodymandave
FWD is great for my wifes daily driver.
AWD will kill 99% of the same setup FWD'rs. (in drag race)you cats know this. now shut up. besides,if we wanted to play highway kings, we would of bought
supras.

way to be

 

[2gredspyder]

before i really thought that awd was the shit, but after i raced a gsx on the highway and all i had was a k&n, i dont know what he had all i know is that he had an aftermarket muffler, dont know if it was full exhaust,
im gonna assume that he had an aftermarket intake.
i expected to be side by side with him but i smoked him so bad, the only time he passed me was when i had to slow down cause of a truck, i had to slow down like to 50 and i was able to pass the gsx really quick.
AWD is better for the track but with some drag radials fwd can be quick too. fwd is better for the highway
when i bought my car it had to be a spyder so i had no option of awd or fwd, i have to work with what i have and that is fwd

 

[XTurboSpYderX]

Originally posted by 2gredspyder

when i bought my car it had to be a spyder so i had no option of awd or fwd, i have to work with what i have and that is fwd

like I said brutha... save up a grand... and get yerself a 1G AWD... best of both worlds...

 

[Brett95GST]

Originally posted by bodymandave
FWD is great for my wifes daily driver.
AWD will kill 99% of the same setup FWD'rs. (in drag race)you cats know this. now shut up. besides,if we wanted to play highway kings, we would of bought
supras.

Yeah I know what you mean, and I have to agree with you there, and I'm a WWDer. FWD is fun, and also a lot easier to come around. I looked around for around 8 months for a decently priced GSX, but couldn't find ANYTHING in my area, so I just settled with my GST. Now I love my car, but if I had the chance to trade it for an AWD I would instantly. I don't know where most of you people race...but I have never had a from a roll race, or ever raced anyone from the highway. All my races have been from stop lights. I know this post doesn't add anything at all to the information from the thread...but I might as well chime in with my opinion.


XTurboSpYderX - your idea is something I would like to consider soon...I would love to own a AWD 1G.

 

[gsturbo91]

Well, guys,
You can argue about this all day, but I love my FWD. I went to the dragstrip (1/8)yesterday and killed plenty of Mustangs and one of the two SRT-4's there (9.7). I'm nearly stock with very only the free mods, a hacked air can with a K&N, UIP, hollowed cat, boost and air-fuel guages, a [email protected], and Kuhmo Ecsta Supra 712's 215/55/ZR16. I pulled a [email protected] w/ a 2.238 60ft (1/8). I think that was pretty damn good for what I have done and it didn't hurt when I raced a 92 AWD with all the same mods except the hollowed cat and was running 14psi with a FMIC and spanked his @$$ on the street. Also, does anyone know why the only put the 13b on the SRT-4's? I thought they were gonna run 16g's on them. Its all in how you drive. I can run on the strip with nearly no wheelspin. Its a little harder on the street to keep traction though. In my eyes, FWD all the way dude.

 

[abrxy3]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Drop the crack pipe step away from the computer. A high power domestic rwd car ie Mustang would have traction issues on the street BUT you aren’t fighting physics to get traction. At the track weight transfer would be your friend.

straightline stability and traction one would think that fwd would have the advantage over rwd (engine weight on drive wheels?) rwd cars tend to do better at the track because when both cars lose traction, at least the rwd is still moving...fwd just hops.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by abrxy3
straightline stability and traction one would think that fwd would have the advantage over rwd (engine weight on drive wheels?)

Have you actually sat down and thought about this? Do you understand the concept of weight transfer? Physics dictates the weight will shift reward under acceleration. Taking weight OFF the front wheels. You had to have expirenced this in your own car. I bet this would make a lot of sense if you thought about it for a minute.

 

[Earley]

With proper tuning and driving skills, Anything can happen.

 

[NosLaser]

Originally posted by Earley
With proper tuning and driving skills, Anything can happen.

I can go 9's in a daily driven FWD with the power of Love!

Fellas, all of you need to understand something. You will NEVER make a FWD hook well enough to be a quick drag car without a completely unstreetable suspension. NEVER. Jason Smithey's car makes 611 WHEEL HP, and weighs around 2800 pounds, and BARELY runs 11's. Do you have any idea how fast a RWD Fox body Mustang goes with that kind of HP? If you guessed 9's, you'd be our lucky winner. Seriously. This big ### fwd group hug is starting to get ridiculous. If you want to argue whether or not you think it's 'worth' modding, then that is all relative. But if you want to argue FACTS, let's please stick to the FACTS.

Regards,

 

[igs]

FWD = TERMINAL UNDERSTEER

 

[NosLaser]

Not sure what terminal understeer has to do with drag racing, but I see your point.

Regards,