Is FWD worth modding???

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
[B ill tell you one thing from experience. YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING AS FAST AS ANYTHING you want WITH MONEY. [/B]

Ok let me stop you right there. That is a really stupid argument. Who here at tuners has unlimited funds? Lets take it to a practical level. How about street cars/daily drivers.

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
FOR example, IF modding an AWD to 500hp takes 1$ dollar and runs a 10 second 1/4 His money goes toward driveline parts, clutches, and performance mods, now if you want a FWD car to be around 500 HP then you would actually spend less BUT, you would have to spend just a tad more on Suspension,slicks,Lsd, then performance mods, so it would come out to around $2 dollars.

If you have a fwd car you will still end up spending the same money on clutches and transmissions. You really aren’t saving any money there. And even after your money is spent you still aren’t getting any traction on the street.

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
both cars run the same quarter mile so what the hell does it matter??!!

Uh what are you talking about? The fwd car in this discussion will NEVER ET the same unless god himself is driving it. Take a look here you don’t think that any of those guys are making equal or more power to any of these guys?

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
i mean that RDKT guy or watever the hell his name was is trying to make it seem like his car is GOD

Turbo Monk3y: I think you are having some trouble detecting my sarcasm. Yes I am a fwd bigot. I love trash talking. But I am trying to make a point here using my own car as an example. Drop my setup into a fwd car and it will be even less streetable and have even more traction problems then it does now. Regardless of suspension or lsd type it has. Do you want me to drive on wrinkle wall slicks to work everyday so I can get traction?

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
in reallity i can make a VW rabbit run 10 second quarters all day long with money..

I love guys that say stuff like this. Most of them have no real concept of what it takes to go fast they think that throwing parts and money at a car will instantly make it go fast. It doesn’t work like that.

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
but you will always be beatin by something else

Anyone that doesn’t realize that is in for a rude surprise. Pro 5.0 and Pro Street cars do exist and they do drive around on occasion. Are you getting dizzy from standing so high up on that soap box yet monkey?

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
but you will always be beatin by something else be it a fancy 911 twin turbo porche or a shitty toyota celica that can run 9s... YES THEY ARE AND THEY ARE MODDABLE TILL YOU RUN OUTTA CASH

You are comparing Rado’s tube frame Celica and some random heavily modded 150k twin turbo Porsche? Where are you going with this again? How does this relate to the original argument about street cars?

 

[NosLaser]

My brain hurts from the bad info in this thread. Rdrkt, you are wasting your time. You can't argue with idiots because all they will do is force you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Regards,

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

man, this has really gotten outta hand.

 

[truwarrior]

It all depends on your goals and driving habits. I'm only looking to get about 300-350hp. Right now I'm probably around 230 crank hp and have no problems with traction nor wheel hop. I think the downpipe helped a lot (smoother spool less weight transffer). Then I'm gonna get a AVCR boost controller when I add a better turbo.

With 300hp I doubt much will break and when it does it will still be cheaper to fix then a awd drivetrain.

Some car got the jump on me yesterday and passed me so I shifted down to 3rd and tried to catch up. I could only image that I would have gained less ground with a awd.

By the way I would refuse to race a awd car, their in their own league off the line. It's like a HS vs College track and field meet. Just isn't a fair match.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

I love my GsT no matter what nobody says. I wouldn't mind having AWD either but it's not that important to me. (Seems like AWD is someone's whole life here, cause they seem mighty offended and threatened by FWD but i'm not gonna point fingers)

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

yes it does matter on your goals and driving ability.......but why in th F are we arguing amongst each other??? We already know that there is good and bad with FWD and AWD......I can see if someone came on here saying that a Toyota Echo can burn a GST/X......yeah it sounds crazy, but you guys get my point.......bottom line, we all have the same car in most cases. If you don't like the fact your X is bad with crankwalk, or your T has no traction-Or my X can kick the S*** out of your T because and vice versa, then get rid of it and get the F*** out of the game!

 

[aves911]

I really think that the big appeal of AWD is that it is much easier to clock good 60' times and ET's with due to more traction. However, with careful driving, a FWD can catch sub 2.0 60' times as well. I think in most cases if you take an average driver, put him in a high hp FWD, yeah he will rev it up let out the clutch and spin every gear. But if you take the time to really learn how to drive a FWD you can get more traction and clock off very good times. I can't say from experience because I am far from a sterling driver, but I watched my friend Kevin run 10.4 with a FWD AUTO. (on slicks) It's obvious that an equally modded FWD will never have the same ET as an AWD but anything over a 1/4 mile (the majority of my street races) the FWD takes it. SO I guess what I'm trying to say, in refernce to the original question is that yes, a FWD is worth modding, but in order to enjoy it you have to take the time (more time than an AWD) to learn how to use it functionally.

 

[RS entities]

most ppl who support fwd like it cause of awesome hwy pulls. but is awd that bad on the hwy. i know if mods are the same the fwd will beat the awd on the hwy. but will the awd be that much slower on the hwy?

chad

 

[Libila]

I agree with the people saying that your goals for the car are what matter. I own a FWD but Im looking for a very streetable car, not some monster race car. If that were the case then I would build a strictly drag talon. I like the road race alot more than drag so I am building a 240sx track car on the side so I can go have fun in that. But as for my talon, I want more power sure, but I am looking for a daily driver.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by RS entities
most ppl who support fwd like it cause of awesome hwy pulls. but is awd that bad on the hwy. i know if mods are the same the fwd will beat the awd on the hwy. but will the awd be that much slower on the hwy?

chad

From what i've seen yes they are alot slower due to the fact that when you are on the Hwy at those speeds too much traction will hold you down. You figure at hwy speeds wheelspin isn't much of an issue therefore AWD has to power all 4 wheels as opposed to 2.FWD can float at top end, AWD is still gonna be grabbing the ground (If you understand what i'm sayin)

 

[GSX4LIFE]

To anybody that thinks they know, you have NO idea. I drove daves awd. It doesnt have any traction in 3rd. What makes some of you think a FWD with even close to this power level can hang with his car. It wont
The FWD would torque steer so bad, you would be lucky to keep it on the road. Daves car will walk just about anything on this board, front rear or AWD.

 

[BOMEX DSM]

Originally posted by Turbo Monk3y
God most of you people here are pathetic... Comon now Ive owned both AWD and FWD DSM's and ill tell you one thing from experience. YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING AS FAST AS ANYTHING you want WITH MONEY. look at it this way, FOR example, IF modding an AWD to 500hp takes 1$ dollar and runs a 10 second 1/4 His money goes toward driveline parts, clutches, and performance mods, now if you want a FWD car to be around 500 HP then you would actually spend less BUT, you would have to spend just a tad more on Suspension,slicks,Lsd, then performance mods, so it would come out to around $2 dollars. both cars run the same quarter mile so what the hell does it matter??!! so one guy spent a little more who cares... i mean that RDKT guy or watever the hell his name was is trying to make it seem like his car is GOD which in reallity i can make a VW rabbit run 10 second quarters all day long with money.. JUST THINK of RICH people if they will buy a Ferrari MODENA then if they are a car enthusiast will put some more money down onto it and smoke all you little bitches that proclaim your car is soooo Badass when its not Yeah now all the cars "you say" you beat may give you a good feeling but you will always be beatin by something else be it a fancy 911 twin turbo porche or a shitty toyota celica that can run 9s... so to all you people arguing about if FWD are moddable ... YES THEY ARE AND THEY ARE MODDABLE TILL YOU RUN OUTTA CASH. as for you little whores that think their 11 second AWD dsm is sooooo cool you can kiss my Ass YOU ARE NOTHING SPECIAL.....

Amen to that my friend i couldnt of put any better myself... hopefully this puts and end to this and we should all just get along it is the DSMTUNERS.com not the FWDvsAWDtuners.com

Peace

 

[germain101]

GSX4LIFE: is that 12.575 @ 115.220 mph what you are running on your current set up???

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE
To anybody that thinks they know, you have NO idea. I drove daves awd. It doesnt have any traction in 3rd. What makes some of you think a FWD with even close to this power level can hang with his car. It wont
The FWD would torque steer so bad, you would be lucky to keep it on the road. Daves car will walk just about anything on this board, front rear or AWD.

Lol!! Getting off of Dave's d*ck for a min. You would realize that you have blown the argument way out of hand. We are talking about cars with similar setups. I wouldn't really consider Dave's car the average car that you would run into on the street. That's just like saying "The Extreme Talon would Walk anyone on this board" DUH. We're talking about average joe's here not the SuperFast DSM's

 

[kyle]

I love my GST and have tons of fun with it Thats the whole point of this hobby

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by kyle
I love my GST and have tons of fun with it Thats the whole point of this hobby

Damn I thought the point was spending all your money until you become broke and jaded and eventually give it up.

 

[Goro21]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Damn I thought the point was spending all your money until you become broke and jaded and eventually give it up.

nope, think thats just you

 

[frontdriver]

Originally posted by rdrkt
You fwd guys have NO concept of fast. If you build a truly fast (450+ hp) fwd DSM you wont be able to hook up in ANY gear and that is just dumb. I also think its pretty safe to say that all of you guys would get plenty of time to read my new custom plate if we raced from a roll.

Tell that to Gary Marsh of WrightTouch Racing.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by frontdriver
Tell that to Gary Marsh of WrightTouch Racing.

Hmm Garry Marsh brutally fast fwd RACE CAR. That would not be considered a street car in any way shape or form which is what we are talking about. But if you have any more crappy examples please feel free to contribute

 

[frontdriver]

QUOTE]Originally posted by rdrkt
You fwd guys have NO concept of fast. If you build a truly fast (450+ hp) fwd DSM you wont be able to hook up in ANY gear and that is just dumb. I also think its pretty safe to say that all of you guys would get plenty of time to read my new custom plate if we raced from a roll. [/QUOTE]

I thought this would be a quote of a crappy comparison above.
Sorry, I didn't see "street car comparison" in this post.
http://www.technilube.com/sections/products/race_wt.html

 

[NosLaser]

Take it from someone who knows...there are specific 'reasons' his car has gone so fast. Those 'reasons' could never be implemented for any car designed to be driven on the street. Period.

Regards,

 

[igs]

fwd = terminal understeer

fwd blows

 

[germain101]

Originally posted by rdrkt
You fwd guys have NO concept of fast. If you build a truly fast (450+ hp) fwd DSM you wont be able to hook up in ANY gear and that is just dumb. I also think its pretty safe to say that all of you guys would get plenty of time to read my new custom plate if we raced from a roll.

what does your car run???

[email protected] on drag radials...i think this guy has pretty good idea of what it's like to drive a 400-450 hp fwd car...i find it amazing that he cans still manage (with his limited concept of fast) to hook up in ANY gear!?!?!?maybe this is just another "crappy example" of a RACE CAR (even though it's his daily driver)...but, i'm sure he would have plenty of time to read your custom plate if you were to race from a role...

 

[NosLaser]

I think the point that rdrkt was making was that the guys arguing on the side of the FWD's all have 14 second cars. Then a few random people chime in hiding behind other people's accomplishments and using them as examples in an argument. So far, I'm about the only one in here who has actually owned an over 400 wheel HP fwd. I can attest to a lot of the things rdrkt is saying as fact. Yes, the car was a killer from a roll and would likely have been one heck of a run for his car, but from a slower speed, there was no hope.

Regards,

 

[germain101]

Originally posted by NosLaser
I think the point that rdrkt was making was that the guys arguing on the side of the FWD's all have 14 second cars. Then a few random people chime in hiding behind other people's accomplishments and using them as examples in an argument. So far, I'm about the only one in here who has actually owned an over 400 wheel HP fwd. I can attest to a lot of the things rdrkt is saying as fact. Yes, the car was a killer from a roll and would likely have been one heck of a run for his car, but from a slower speed, there was no hope.

Regards,

I think the point I was tying to make, is that a high hp fwd is very capable of being fast….that’s it…awd is not the end all-be all of traction or even racing for that matter…no body here is hiding behind anyone elses accolades, just stating the facts…is a fwd worth modding???YES, plain and simple…this thread wasn’t started as “which is better, fwd or awd”