Innovate LM1 Wideband

[badgsx]

I was just checking this product out on the slowboy site. Anyone have any experiance with it? My question is could you use this to adjust a Safc? Could you watch your air-fuel ratio on this and then adjust the Safc accordingly?

 

[kpt4321]

I have one, and I love it. My only gripe is that my inductive RPM clamp totally sucks. I don't know if that's a problem across the board, or only a problem with mine...

Yes, you will want to use it for all open-loop tuning. It's worlds better than tuning blind!

 

[Blk_99gst]

My only gripe is that my inductive RPM clamp totally sucks. I don't know if that's a problem across the board, or only a problem with mine...

I have one too and also love mine. Better than any other unit currently available in my opinion. kpt4321 - What problems do you have with your inductive clamp? Mine acts funny sometimes too. Sometimes when I log rpms, they'll be off the chart, like at 10 or 11 thousand. I just need to re-calibrate the unit when that happens. But most other times, it picks up a lot of spikes, so the rpm ramp up curve is not very linear; very spikey instead.

And yes, the LM-1 is great for tuning the high settings of the safc. It's not very good for tuning the low settings. You really need a pocketlogger to look at the ecu's fuel trims to tune low safc settings.

 

[stiperformance]

Here is a cheaper alternative...does way more than the LM1

http://www.zeitronix.com

 

[Blk_99gst]

Here is a cheaper alternative...does way more than the LM1

http://www.zeitronix.com

Not bad, I've never seen that one before. I don't know about a cheaper alternative though. The biggest pitfall with that unit is that it can not do logging itself, rather you need to connect a laptop to it and use the laptop to log during your wot runs.

The LM-1 does logging itself, i.e., the 45mins of logged data is saved inside the LM-1 unit. It can then be hooked up to a desktop or laptop to view the logs. I carry my free 166mhz pos laptop with me when I log, and hook the lm-1 unit right up to that so I can take a look at my log after my run.

 

[90GSX]

I use an LM1, works great! Just be sure you calibrate the meter exactly per the instructions. I'm using a prototype cable which connects the LM1 to the Autronic, which allows me to log wideband info into the Autronic, instead of having to pull logs out of the SMC and the LM1, I just download the log file from the Autronic with the LM1 info. It's an awesome setup.

 

[stiperformance]

Not sure about the LM1, but does it log by RPMs?

The ZT-2 will log by RPMs, will log indefinitely as long as your laptop can hold it, samples 30 times per second. Plus, its an EGT and boost gauge. So it will log EGTs and boost.

I guess its not exactly cheaper, but if you consider the EGT and boost monitoring...

 

[kpt4321]

Plug a MAP sensor and an EGT probe into the LM1, and they will log those two. It can log up to something like 5 inputs.

 

[badgsx]

So is it a better tuning tool than a pocketlogger? Im new to the whole tuning thing. I'll be doing a turbo upgrade by the end of the summer so Im trying to figure out now what would be best.

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

I have used UEGO 1000 O2 WB belong to close friend:
http://www.lindseyracing.com/Mercha...uct_Code=LR-WBOS-KIT&Category_Code=AIRFUELMON
http://www.lindseyracing.com/wbos.htm

Very nice WB fast response with 10 -20 A/F range .

 

[DSMJim]

I also have the LM1 and got it to work pretty well. I had problems with the RPM clamp in the beginning as well, but got it sorted out in the learn mode. I notice a wierd RPM reading once in a while but no big deal, you can sort though it for the most part.

The laptop software is easy to use and works well. I'm going to try pluging in a few more sensors and see what happens. As it sits now it's a great unit. I got mine so the cables run into my glove box and the LM1 is stored inside there.

I have just been told today that they are coming out with a new LED and Readout gauge for it like AEM that will run off the 0-5 output which will be awesome. As soon as that comes out I'm all over it big time.

 

[98spydert]

Here is a cheaper alternative...does way more than the LM1

http://www.zeitronix.com

This unit seems better in every way possible if you don't mind the fact that you need a laptop to log. All the logging I've done, I've been in the car specifically to log, not just driving around and randomly logging sh*t. So if I'm ready to log, I grab my laptop, grab my palm and I'm there. Considering I never got a EGT gauge and have no way to log boost, this seems like a better all around buy. Anymore thoughts on this thing?

 

[Ludachris]

Is everyone here using the Inductive Clamp for their RPM signal pickup? It seems a little funky having that huge clamp dangling around under the hood while you're driving - yet it seems like it'd be a pain to keep running it into the cabin everytime you want to use it. Anyone doing it differently?

 

[Mike Licht]

I just run a wire to the tach lead. LM1 also plugs into the Scanmaster so you can run wideband logs next to your other ECU data for tuning
Mike

 

[Blk_99gst]

Is everyone here using the Inductive Clamp for their RPM signal pickup? It seems a little funky having that huge clamp dangling around under the hood while you're driving - yet it seems like it'd be a pain to keep running it into the cabin everytime you want to use it. Anyone doing it differently?

I use the inductive clamp, but I only log every few weeks, so I don't care to put the clamp under the hood and have the wire coming into the cabin for the few runs I do. I don't drive the car everywhere with the wideband on all the time.

 

[Ronin17]

I just got the Innovate LM-1, I went ahead and tapped the green wire on the S-AFC for the RPM signal. I set the RPM by holding down the setup button and reving the engine to 2k rpms, the innovate seems to log rpm fine until high rpms were it gets a little sketchy.

Should I try a different way of setting up the rpm signal?

Innovate LM-1 gets a big from me.

 

[Ludachris]

So Mike, why doesn't the RPM Converter come in the kit with the LM-1? It seems like you can't do much with the Wideband kit without RPM...

 

[Blk_99gst]

I just got the Innovate LM-1, I went ahead and tapped the green wire on the S-AFC for the RPM signal. I set the RPM by holding down the setup button and reving the engine to 2k rpms, the innovate seems to log rpm fine until high rpms were it gets a little sketchy.

Should I try a different way of setting up the rpm signal?

Innovate LM-1 gets a big from me.

Define a little "sketchy". The problem with the inductive clamp that I use, is that the inductive clamp can pick up a lot of noise from the engine, so the rpm increases, but it's very spikey. It's kind of a pain, but you can still tell at what rpm point you would need to adjust. I might try hooking it up to the rpm wire, instead of using the inductive clamp. Maybe, if I ever get around to it.

 

[Ronin17]

Define a little "sketchy". The problem with the inductive clamp that I use, is that the inductive clamp can pick up a lot of noise from the engine, so the rpm increases, but it's very spikey. It's kind of a pain, but you can still tell at what rpm point you would need to adjust. I might try hooking it up to the rpm wire, instead of using the inductive clamp. Maybe, if I ever get around to it.

Here's a log showing what I mean, should have been a little more descriptive than just saying a little sketchy.

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I took it up to 7000 RPMs in this log. Ignore the A/F's, I am still in the process of tuning this thing, hehe.

I think it might have to do with the setup of the RPM converter, I'll try another way and see if that helps any.

*edit*
Just thought of something, I can log the LM-1 with DSMLink can't I? Once I hook the LM-1 up to DSMLink I can log everything together and not even have to use the RPM converter correct?

 

[Mike Licht]

So Mike, why doesn't the RPM Converter come in the kit with the LM-1? It seems like you can't do much with the Wideband kit without RPM...

Many guys have other forms of data collectors that the LM1 can hook up to and they can collect PRM and other relevent data that way. Dynos, data acc. systems. and our new Scanmaster for the DSM cars is an example of that. I don't know of any other unit that comes with RPM included.
Mike