I want Suspension that would kill a BMW

[Ludachris]

I guess that shows your on the west coast. NASA Mid-Atlantic is chock full of e30s, e36s and e46 probably almost more popular than the miatas (spec e30 fields are huge)

OH and SHH I dropped the dsm platform to build a Spec3 car.

E30's yes, E30 M3's? Not very common in the west.

 

[Ludachris]

They are not gone. Here's a thread started by MachV today offering them for sale.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/ven...-2g-now-availalbe-la-carte.html#post151935188

And for the 1G guys, check with this supporting vendor about Whiteline swaybars for the GVR4:
RevolutionMotorsport.net - Directory

Bigger than the RM bars and adjustable. They've been discontinued, but he might still be able to get a few.

 

[quayzar590awd]

hey chris one more ? sorry . Lets say I went out and spent crap idk a few thousand on a proper suspension. Would the design of our chassis hinder the performance of it at all ? I read into it but they never got right down to saying yes or no. Chassis dynamics make or break a race car but I did not know if that hold true for street cars as well. There are several types of frames, ladder, unibody,space,monocoque. I know from years of fixing wrecked cars and pulling frames there are advantages and disadvantages to each type. Does that translate to the track as far as handling characteristics are concerned? I would assume so considering that the different types of frame put the structural loads in different locations along with integrating special areas called torque boxes or crumple zones. I would assume that this safety feature and different frame designs some how effects transitional load. Sorry for my ignorance but they dont teach you this stuff in school. thanks for your help in advance.

 

[lacroixdp]

There will always be purists. I really like the raw E30 myself, but I'd have to disagree that the new M3 is an embarrassment. Show me one car these days that isn't heavy and full of too many electronics. BMW has done a great job of implementing the driver aids while keeping the driver in touch with the road - probably better than most other car makers. Certainly better than any in its segment. Though the newer cars can't match the old cars in terms of raw driving feel and handling, they simply have too many regulations to adhere to these days. Technology and safety is heavy. I think they've done well with the car, keeping all that in mind.

I am a big fan of the E30 M3, as well as the old Datsun 510 and some of the other legendary handling cars. But we're in a DSM forum trying to give advice on how to help DSMers make their cars handle as good as they can. Let's try and keep it in perspective. These cars are what they are. The M3 platform has a distinct handling advantage. But with some money and proper setup, a DSM can do quite well.

You're right in that regard - all new cars are heavy and full of electronics. The only company nowadays that releases cars like previously mentioned is Caterham and Lotus. I submit though - you're absolutely right that there's many improvements you can make on the DSM platform. I'm just an old fart out of touch with new cars

 

[Ludachris]

Instead of looking at it in terms of whether the chassis will hinder the performance, think of it as the car will only have so much potential. The best built DSM road racer probably won't ever be superior when compared to other, more expensive platforms. But with that said, you can still build up a cheap DSM with good suspension components and make it competitive. The 1G has a similar suspension design (though outdated) to the Evo - not sure about the Evo X. It's not a perfect chassis for handling, but it's decent.

If you spent money on good parts and put it together right, a DSM can be a great road racer. We get killed in classing, but it doesn't mean we can't be competitive and have fun.

 

[UnsafeAtAnySpd]

I'm liking this thread. Some good discussion going on. It's helpful as I'm currently in the middle of building my car. Plan to be doing wheel to wheel next summer.

Chris, where've you been all summer? Your car going to make it to any NASA events the rest of the summer? I'll be at PPIR next weekend.

 

[ian_maham]

A lot of you are saying that where you live, there are a ton of E30's around. Are they the M3 versions or just the stock platforms?

 

[Ludachris]

I'm liking this thread. Some good discussion going on. It's helpful as I'm currently in the middle of building my car. Plan to be doing wheel to wheel next summer.

Chris, where've you been all summer? Your car going to make it to any NASA events the rest of the summer? I'll be at PPIR next weekend.

Hey man, my apologies. I haven't been in a position to make any of the events so far. Life has been getting in the way. I'm likely not going to be at PPIR but am planning on trying to make it to the last HPR events...

You been bringing the DSM to PPIR?

 

[UnsafeAtAnySpd]

That's cool. Life getting in the way is perfectly understandable. I'll just have the CTS-V at PPIR and most likely won't have the Talon out at all this summer. I'm trying to get it done before next spring. I want to attend one of the Fasst Race schools, get my provisional license and race in PTD next year.

 

[quayzar590awd]

A lot of you are saying that where you live, there are a ton of E30's around. Are they the M3 versions or just the stock platforms?

A mix of all types from mild to wild. There are also tons of porsh, ferrari,lambo w/e you want to see MD is the place to see it. Oc car show this weekend there will be everything from 89 yugo to ferrari enzo. TONS OF DSM's show up to the shows as well its a good time. I love the new M3 what a sexy/nasty car oooooweeee that v8 purrs. Thanks chris for your answer btw.

 

[ian_maham]

A mix of all types from mild to wild. There are also tons of porsh, ferrari,lambo w/e you want to see MD is the place to see it. Oc car show this weekend there will be everything from 89 yugo to ferrari enzo. TONS OF DSM's show up to the shows as well its a good time. I love the new M3 what a sexy/nasty car oooooweeee that v8 purrs. Thanks chris for your answer btw.

I actually pulled next to one today. I would've gave it a go but he was turning and I would have been destroyed.