How Much Power Is DSMLink Capable Of?

[Xtraction]

I was up at Racing Trenz the other day. The owner tried to tell me that if I was going for 500 hp or more that the DSMLink would not be sufficient. He told me to upgrade to an AEM EMS. I was just wondering if anyone on here is using DSMLink and pushing over 500 awhp. Can anyone vouch for the DSMLinks ability to perform?

 

[MCDGexx]

Um...DSMLink is a system to help configure your ECU, etc. HP isn't going to limit it I don't think.

 

[Dark_Horse]

There are many people using DSMlink that have over 500whp. From my couple second search, I turned up someone that's putting down 556whp. That's over 650 at the crank on a 2wd.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

dsmlink can tune anything from a stock DSM to a monster. It is only a TOOL for achieving a desired hp/torque goal. If you have the proper modifications + tuning ability, the sky's the limit my friend.

 

[Xtraction]

Um...DSMLink is a system to help configure your ECU, etc. HP isn't going to limit it I don't think.

OK...Tuning is the key to making power. If you can't tune to a very fine degree, which is what's needed to reach that kind of power, then your engine managment system is in fact insufficient. You'll never...ever...make 1,000 hp off of an S-AFC. I don't think there are any 1,000 hp cars out there that are running a DSMLink system. I'm not shooting for that much power or anything but... I'm just wondering how well the DSMLink can be tuned and at what point it falls short.

 

[Xtraction]

Some time in the far off future I plan on using an FP3065, a solid aeromotive fuel system, and methanol injection. If the DSMLink can handle whatever I can throw at it than screw switching to a $1,400 AEM system.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

DSMLink doesn't really fall short in any area's as long as you know how to use it. It is just DSMLink though. Can't be used on anything but a turbo dsm ECU. On the otherhand AEM or something like that can be used on most any car. Yes DSMLink does have it limits. Most people usually switch over to AEM when they start making in the neighborhood of 800hp but I have a friend back home that had 882awhp and used DSMLink and it worked perfectly. And I don't exactly understand the theory behind 556whp is over 650 at the crank. You might wanna get the calculator back out on that one and try to refigure that for a 2wd. Considering my friends car made 882awhp and 946hp at the flywheel. That's only 62hp loss. I don't think fwd will lose over 100. DSMLink can handle whatever you throw at it but you have to have all of the supporting mods to do it. No cutting corners. I pushed over 470fwhp on an SAFC2 for almost a year and a half and never had any problems. Granted I would have gotten more power out of the car with DSMLink, since I had AMS do the work I was confident it was a good tune. It's all about who does it and what they are doing with it.

 

[Xtraction]

Thanks...thanks a lot! That's exactly what I needed to hear.

 

[Dark_Horse]

I just used the value of 15% loss for FWD. 25% for AWD. Pretty common percentages to use for both drive-trains. Sorry, 639 crank hp.

 

[Xtraction]

...one more question for the night. Are there any ill effects to using methanol injection? It sounds like the perfect solution to only having shitty 92 octane pump gas and wanting to run crazy boost.

 

[Newlogics]

...one more question for the night. Are there any ill effects to using methanol injection? It sounds like the perfect solution to only having shitty 92 octane pump gas and wanting to run crazy boost.

The only only ill effect I can think of is that it eventually runs out and needs to be refilled


Good luck.

 

[Black94DSM]

How fast have you gone with DSMLink?

Our own shop car has run a mild 11.3. Several of our users are running 10s, the fastest of which is Russ Coxe running 9.7 with traps over 140 mph! Considering the fact he's doing this through a factory automatic transmission really illustrates the power he's putting down.


Taken straight from DSMlink.com

 

[CanadianTSi]

S-AFC cars have gone 9's so I'm sure DSMLink is capable of more than that...

 

[da kang3]

So where are all of these safc cars, and are any of them 2g's? because I know that I have started a thread asking for help from people that either understand how 2g's w/safc's are supposed to be tuned, or have one and use them for help, but all i get is an empty thread. Except for others seeking the same info.

What do you use canadiantsi?

Sorry, not trying to jack the thread, just trying to help those of us that use safc's right now. I plan to upgrade to the link pretty soon but I want to learn as much as I can and be able to use what I have also, thanks.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

People with DSM's don't usually use the SAFC because we have other tuning options available for us. Now someone with like a RX7 or MR2 or something like that...there only real option is an AFC of sorts or a full stand alone system like AEM. We are fortunate that we can use so many different kinds of tuning devices on our cars.

 

[CanadianTSi]

I use an S-AFC only and *Hope* to see 11's on pump gas this year.

 

[andytalon]

I've seen an 800hp Supra on a Safc cry: my dream car )

OK...Tuning is the key to making power. If you can't tune to a very fine degree, which is what's needed to reach that kind of power, then your engine managment system is in fact insufficient. You'll never...ever...make 1,000 hp off of an S-AFC. I don't think there are any 1,000 hp cars out there that are running a DSMLink system. I'm not shooting for that much power or anything but... I'm just wondering how well the DSMLink can be tuned and at what point it falls short.

 

[sweet97]

I searched and this thread is the only one that came up. Are there any guys with before and after DSMlink power changes? No additional mods? Thanks, Mark

 

[Spooling99]

I searched and this thread is the only one that came up. Are there any guys with before and after DSMlink power changes? No additional mods? Thanks, Mark

DSMlink helps fine tune your car way more then a SAFC could ever do, so you can get more hp from it but you have still have to fine tune wich is alot easier and more user friendly

 

[larsenracing]

I've seen an 800hp Supra on a Safc cry: my dream car )

800Hp isn't really that much for a supra the worse thing they have is traction issues. But I would really like a 97 supra or something around that year to.

 

[GSTBlack95]

I was up at Racing Trenz the other day. The owner tried to tell me that if I was going for 500 hp or more that the DSMLink would not be sufficient. He told me to upgrade to an AEM EMS. I was just wondering if anyone on here is using DSMLink and pushing over 500 awhp. Can anyone vouch for the DSMLinks ability to perform?

Ill be quite honest, I have not herd good things about Racing Trenz, granted I have not been there personally to pass better judgement, I would suggest Mac Autosports in Parker, Nick there knows so much about dsm's and our engines its crazy. If you want some good sound advice I would go there, and to self tune for almost a hour is only 65 bucks.

If you got any questions I know a few dsm'ers and we could all help you out.

 

[4g64GST]

Considering my friends car made 882awhp and 946hp at the flywheel. That's only 62hp loss.

wow 7% drivetrain loss in an AWd. must be good fluids and great bearings.

 

[Newlogics]

wow 7% drivetrain loss in an AWd. must be good fluids and great bearings.

You have to keep in mind that drivetrain loss isn't a fixed percentage value.
It takes about the same power to spin all that weight, since resistance doesn't increase proportionally to power, varying a bit on traction, load and upgrades, so obviously, the higher power output is, the smaller portion of it is lost on the drivetrain.

 

[dsm-onster]

Drive your car far, far away from this shop.They only want to steal money from you. Let them read my post. And have them answer my last question.

DSMLink is not designed to increase horsepower at the point it is bolted on. NO tuning system is designed to do that. Any tuning tool is designed to tune you when you get to a certain horsepower level. DSMlink is very, very good at tuning you when you get to 600+ hp. There are guys with 1700 cc injectors running dsmlink. That fuel flow will allow well over a thousand horsepower. Can safc do this? not with out msd btm. Can aem do this? yes but it is twice as much. AEM will not give you any more horsepower on an evo3 setup running 550s than an SAFC or MAFt. AEM will get you the control you need for larger injectors but so will DSMLink. Piggy backs can only do so much with oversized injectors unless they can control ignition timing. Ask yourself what do you need at your particular horsepower goal: then determine if DSMLink, AEM, or a piggy back can deliver that. I will give you the title to my car if DSMLink can't deliver what you need when you're making 500+ whp. AEM is for SHEP.

Ask your shop:

What do you need from AEM EMS at 500 horsepower that DSMLink cannot do?​

 

[Xtraction]

...nuf said.