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sickguy

sickguy

15+ Year Contributor
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Dec 21, 2003
Fremont, California
Hi guys. I tried to tune my car myself, but had no luck can't seem to get it run smooth. I got all the supporting mods and No boost leak. Please take a look at the 3 logs I pulled on consecutive runs. My mods are:
Intake, exhaust
Evo3 turbo
SAFC, logger
RC 550cc injectors, Walbro 190 fuel pump
Hanh Super sidemount intercooler with all hard piping
HKS bov
Dejontool Dual stage boost controller
NGK plug wires and BPR7ES plugs

If I miss something here pls look at my profile for complete mods.

Gas: 91 octate
Boost: 17psi then creeps to 21psi at 6k rpm
 
First log

RPM Timing TPS O2 1 Bank 1

1840 13 9.82 0.04
2284 5 18.07 0.5
2340 24 54.22 0.72
2436 23 88.8 0.9
2540 22 98.62 0.9
2640 21 98.62 0.9
2748 17 98.62 0.9
2880 16 98.62 0.92
3012 14 98.62 0.92
3172 11 98.62 0.94
3372 8 98.62 0.96
3556 9 98.62 0.96
3768 9 98.62 0.96
3928 10 98.62 0.96
4120 9 98.62 0.96
4292 10 98.62 0.96
4472 9 98.62 0.96
4652 10 98.62 0.96
4812 10 98.62 0.98
4972 11 98.62 0.98
5168 12 98.62 0.98
5340 12 98.62 0.98
5444 13 98.62 0.96
5672 10 98.62 0.96
5824 10 98.62 0.96
5980 11 98.62 0.96
6112 10 98.62 0.96
5652 16 2.75 0.72
4840 35 2.75 0.8

SAFC settings are:
1k -13
2k -13
3k -14
4k -14
4.5k -15
5k -15
6k -16
7k -16
 
Sorry, it's easy for viewing this way, still first log

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Sorry for the blank space, I don't know how to eliminate it. Also, is it safe to run at 21-22 psi with my setup with 91 gas? Thanks in advance for your input!!
 
your timing isnt tooooo bad but it looks like you are running a little rich still. your 02's should be down a little to about .94 itd be a good idea to find out why you are creeping, you may need a bigger o2 housing or ext wg. a constant boost will make it much easier to tune. dont quote me on this, but id be careful going over 20psi on 550's unles you are running race gas, esp with cali 91oct
 
Thanks for your input! I thought tuning with 02 is risky as it's not accurate? The reason I ran a little rich is because I don't want to blow up the engine by running too lean, I'll try lean it a little more to see how it goes. I know getting a Wideband will make it 100x easier but I can't afford it yet so please help me going to a right direction. As for the creep, I think I will have to port out the exhaust housing a lot as it's unported. Is it possible to just take the exhaust side out without taking out the whole turbo? As I paid like $200 to get it installed if possible I want to just pull out the exhaust side myself and do the porting job. Thanks again and please keep on advising :thumb:
 
the stock o2 sensors are not the most accurate true, but you can try to lean it out just a tad more to see if it feels any stronger. if you start to get more knock and your timing retards just richen it back up a bit and you'll be fine. tune at night so you'll run rich during the day if you want to be safe.

for the turbo, yes you would have to take it out. but before you do go buy a die grinder, about the same price as you'd pay someone to port for you, take out your o2 housing and port as much as you can on that, see if that helps. if it doesnt, then you can take out your turbo and port the exh side as you will already have the tool.
 
The O2 housing is already ported, damnit I thought with my setup (2.5" exhaust + cat) it wouldn't creep so the turbo is unported, I was wrong. I didn't do the turbo install myself I paid someone else to do it, so if I have to take it out to port it I might have to pay double labor for it to be taken out and put back on, that's why I was wondering if I could just take out the exhaust housing and port it. CanadianTSi: Yes I hope to turn the boost down but since it creeps I can't. Could the retarded timing caused by running too rich (rich knocks)? Anyway I will just lean it a little more like -1 to see if the timing increases or goes down. Thanks and I'll post up again after I log the runs.
 
It might be a matter of intercooler efficency as well. What was the outside temps when you made your run? You might be having heatsoak issues even with that upgraded intercooler.
 
I don't think the intercooler is at fault, I logged the runs in the morning around 50F. Also I believe the Hanh SMIC should be good enough for the Evo3 turbo. I think it's the high boost causing the knocks. I'll try to fix the boost creep first before logging again better safe than sorry. I'll get you guys updated. Thanks!
 
well your car is pretty modded, you should use this as an opportunity to learn more abnout your car and remove the turbo yourself. It really isnt too hard just check out vfaq.com, you'll save $ and know everything was done right ( an if something goes wrong its always better to blame yourself than someone else :) )
 
You're right as a DSMer I always love to fix the car myself and get my hands dirty. But living in an apartment leaves me with no choice but having somebody to do it for me. I did some small stuff at the carport like installing the smic myself, but as I remember removing the turbo requires lifting the car and draining coolant and stuff which I don't think I can do it here. Well as for the creep my DSM mechanic (Newlogics) told me that it could be I put too many washers under the wastegate actuator. I had problem building boost when I first got the turbo installed turned out to be the wastegate door was not completely closed so that's a big leak. So I put like 3 washers under the actuator and it builds boost early now like hit boost at 3,300 rpm which it's supposed to do. But because of this the actuator might not open the door enough to release the exhaust. I'll try to experience it by putting 2, or 1 washers to see if it can both build boost and release exhaust gas effectively.
 
My O2 housing is already ported a lot, so the exhaust mani is what I wanted to port. But as I said, I just went ahead and swapped the maybe faulty actuator with an used 14b wastegate actuator and took out all the washers. Guess what, it doesn't creep as much now :thumb: I pulled it in 2nd gear so I couldn't read the boost quick enough but I think it's around 18-19 psi at redline which is totally acceptable, it was creeping to 21 psi at only 6k rpm. I'll log some more runs maybe tonight when there're less cars and colder outside. I'll keep updated. Thanks!
 
Hey guys, just logged another pull. Boost set a 17 psi creeped to 19 psi on 91 gas. I think it looks better this time after I fixed the wastegate actuator and leaned it out a little bit, but still knocking between 4.5k to 6k. What should I go from here? Leaning it more from 4.5k to 6k? Thanks for those who gave me their helpful input :thumb:

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those numbers look a lot better. you could try to richen it jus a bit at around 3-4k rpms, and see it that helps, but your timing is increasing toward redline which is good
 
Sorry but I don't understand why I should richen up at 3k - 4k I thought 4.5k to 6.5k is where it's knocking? Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I thought that was normal for 2g's to have a dip in timing when you do a pull.

Reading those logs is like waiting to see who wins an Oscar for Best Actor. "And the log results are..." ROFL
 
That's what I thought too. I read that it dips to around 7 at full boost and then slowly climbing up from there to +15 at redline is what you want to tune for. Is running 19 psi on 91 octane even with all the supporting mods too much? As I said I couldn't turn down the boost it creeps to 19 psi if this is the case I have to port the turbo out to deal with knocks.
 
put it on stock boost and see what it does. it cant hurt to take a chance and try it. if you got ride of the knock then dats your problem. slowly increase it untill you knock. then turn the boost down a little.
 
I think your log looks just fine as it is. Timing looks pretty good with the exception of the couple dips in the upper RPM. Dips that small are nothing to worry about, though, and it's probably due to something else and not exactly your AFR.

And about the timing thing being kind of low around 3000-4000 rpm, I do remember seeing that just about everyone's timing dips at those RPMs on 2gs. After looking at all of my DSMlink logs I noticed that it dips right there every single time, and I was not knocking either.
 
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