How Do I Know If I Hve An ESI Or TSI?

[JDT]

I own a black '97 Talon. I'm not sure if it's an ESI or a TSI. I know that the TSI comes turbocharged, and the ESI doesn't. But on my Talon it looks like the turbo has been removed, it has a large area missing next to the intake. Is there any other way I can find out which model it is? (The car sounds turbocharged due to it's new headers)

 

[MrBoxx]

Easy there. Every car runs different times regardless of modifications.

 

[Clinical]

From the HRC website itself


13.70@100mph in the quarter for the Eclipse RS




From "Maserati, Mazda, McLaren, Mercedes, Mercury, M.G., Mini Cooper, Mitsubishi" 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for Factory Stock Vehicles




For the Talon

You're also talking a $3,500 turbo kit.

I'm not disagreeing the 420a isnt a decent motor with good potential - it just plain and simple isn't up to par with a 4g63 in pure stock potential.

Let's say you spend $2,500 on your 420a car
lets say I spend $3,500 on my 4g63 car.
You buy your turbo kit for $3,500 - you've invested $6000 into your car including buying it.

I take $2,500 - I buy 650 injectors, 190lph fuel pump, intercooler, 16g turbo, FPR, intake, SAFC, 1g BOV(if my car is a 2g), a boost gauge, MBC, and a wideband. Let's say I've spent $2,000 (although all this should be able to be found for easily around 1,000-1,500.) I can easily run your same time and be making around your same whp. I still have $500 left for whatever, let's chalk it up to all that extra insurance you're talking about. My NT Laser was $18 a month and my AWD talon is $25 a month - it really doesn't kill me.

By this time horsepower wise you do not have much more potential without getting better internals. A 7bolt can tolerate probably another 100 or more horsepower. A 6bolt even more.

Like I said I'm not saying the 420a sucks, I'm just saying in most cases unless you get a really good deal (like, $500 for a mint 420a), dollar for dollar the 4g63 will always be ahead.

 

[Luckybob2485]

More interesting proof






From 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T


OH SNAP! Did i just ruin your day? A non stock GS-T is still slow ass F with only mid 13's with all of those mods!
Cry me a river and get yourself a GSX already.

So let me get this straight, you spend 4 grand on a turbo kit and put it on an rs, and you will run 13.7s. I bought my 96 tsi stock, and put less than $1500 in it, and I was running 13.5s.

 

[nothingfiction]

i'm not saying i wouldn't mind the power of the all wheel drive, and yes thats a lot of money but both engines have so much potential but everyone knocks the 420A. That's all i am saying. let's forget about the price of the actual car itself. Let's just say the HRC kit is 3grand and i put that on. Let's say i gave you 3 grand as well. i'm not saying my car will be up to your car, no. Just that at least now they will be close. Maybe not close to a tie, but i won't still be waiting to launch while you're already 3/4 down the strip either. There's a lot of potential for the 420 and so many people's answer is just to sell it because it's crap worse then honda sells. This is a DSM community and even tho it's the same car we (420A people) we get treated like the inbred redneck half cousin with down syndrome at the family ruinion that no one talks to. That's all i am saying. i could post massive proof of that as well but you see it too on a daily basis, might have even posted it yourself.

 

[Afroclipse]

You're also talking a $3,500 turbo kit.

I'm not disagreeing the 420a isnt a decent motor with good potential - it just plain and simple isn't up to par with a 4g63 in pure stock potential.

Let's say you spend $2,500 on your 420a car
lets say I spend $3,500 on my 4g63 car.
You buy your turbo kit for $3,500 - you've invested $6000 into your car including buying it.

I take $2,500 - I buy 650 injectors, 190lph fuel pump, intercooler, 16g turbo, FPR, intake, SAFC, 1g BOV(if my car is a 2g), a boost gauge, MBC, and a wideband. Let's say I've spent $2,000 (although all this should be able to be found for easily around 1,000-1,500.) I can easily run your same time and be making around your same whp. I still have $500 left for whatever, let's chalk it up to all that extra insurance you're talking about. My NT Laser was $18 a month and my AWD talon is $25 a month - it really doesn't kill me.

By this time horsepower wise you do not have much more potential without getting better internals. A 7bolt can tolerate probably another 100 or more horsepower. A 6bolt even more.

Like I said I'm not saying the 420a sucks, I'm just saying in most cases unless you get a really good deal (like, $500 for a mint 420a), dollar for dollar the 4g63 will always be ahead.

Did you factor in that your car cost a few thousand more than his so it evens it out, well until you launch your car.

 

[MrBoxx]

Now that everyone's off topic and the OP knows he has both an ESI model AND the flashy quarter windows, we'll call this one good, as it's getting dangerously close to bench-racing 4g63's vs 420a's.