Honda vs. Mitsu

[Phatty95GSX]

Hey, all now really a newbie been on the boards for a while now , just have a few questions i think are kinda easy to answer.... Why the hell are dsm's so complicated.. honda's have so much room under hood.. anyway to clear up under the hood .. like cna you get that vaccuum box that all your vacuum lines run into ?

Why do DSM's break down so much? ... Lets say you build a motor for eclipse.. like 1g 6 bolt motor for a 2g... if you build it right will you have a b unch of dump ass nickel and dime problems? because everyone knows mitsu break down alot.... is it mainly on the stock cars.....

really considering a honda because seems that they dont break as much or as often... the main question i want answered is.... If you were to build a honda motor w/turbo and an eclipse motor ... just because the honda motor is honda.. will it have less problems? i know stock honda are reliable and stock mitsu arent... just post what you think... Thanks for the input also, well if you leave some.

 

[szewczyd]

Speaking form experience. Hondas yes take a beating but will only take so much just as DSM's. As far as making a honda fast there is so much money involved it gets ridiculous. My friend has:
93 civic coupe: $2500
not respectable but very relaible
JDM b16 swap: about $3800
ran 16.2 not respectable in my book, reliable
Turbo kit: $3000
now were talking not even close to reliable
Total of two turbos three head gaskets: $700-900
Still isn't running yet

Just look how much he spent and I didn't even include exhaust, intake, fuel managment system,time to do it all, or all the other misc parts like oil lines and all. he was only trying to run 5psi.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

I dont know why everyone has all these problems with there DSM's Mine has never broke down. Except for when stupid drunk ass's try to make a u turn in my drive way and smash into my car....Got it fixed though. Dad and I picked up a parts car and cut the rear quarter pannel out and welded the replacement back on what a bi*** that was I hate Unibody cars

 

[szewczyd]

"I dont know why everyone has all these problems with there DSM's Mine has never broke down. "

I am saying "knock on wood" for you right now.

 

[TSiBER RYDER]

i've never had any problems since putting on my t3-t4 setup. just the old coolant hoses that have been on there since 92. on the other hand, my buddy has a 1994 honda accord sohc f22v vtec thats been turbo'd w/ a t3-t4 set up also. within the first 300 miles he took it easy to break in the turbo. when he first boosted it at 7 psi his piston rings took a shit (car had 8:5:1 compression w/ oil squirters on the bottom of the pistons) he rebuilt it, drove fine, then 3rd gear went out on his car. he got a new tranny, got it tuned and every thing was fine, till he started blowing axles, now the thing has a very bad vibration at speed. and now oil is getting on his spark plug wires due to leaky seals. i love his car and all but damn, it seems like stuff's breaking every couple of weeks. well, im glad i didn't get a honda.

 

[CanadianTalon]

Speaking form experience. Hondas yes take a beating but will only take so much just as DSM's. As far as making a honda fast there is so much money involved it gets ridiculous. My friend has:
93 civic coupe: $2500
not respectable but very relaible
JDM b16 swap: about $3800
ran 16.2 not respectable in my book, reliable
Turbo kit: $3000
now were talking not even close to reliable
Total of two turbos three head gaskets: $700-900
Still isn't running yet

Just look how much he spent and I didn't even include exhaust, intake, fuel managment system,time to do it all, or all the other misc parts like oil lines and all. he was only trying to run 5psi.

You can pick up a complete B16A swap with everything you need for well under 3000, I don't know where you get 3800 from, maybe you like to pay more money for things. Anyways, I had a 92 civic HB, only weight reduction was removing the back seats so don't say it was gutted. I swapped in a GSR out of the junkyard for 2100 bucks, rebuilt it with new rings and bearings, new oil and water pumps, ARP rod bolts and head studs, and an inlinepro 3MM head gasket all for 350 bucks, built my fuel system for 400 bucks (PTE 880CC injectors, walbro 255 lph pump) paired that up with uberdata for fuel mangement (free), built my own turbo kit for about 2800 dollars with a used T3/60-1. With 11 pounds of boost on pump gas it went 12.8's @ 120 MPH on real street radial tires (not DR's) because the clutch started to slip when I put on slicks. My conclusion? Your friend is an idiot who needs to get the car tuned if he's blown 3 god damn headgaskets with 5 psi, and who needs to stop buying shit turbos if he's gone through 2 turbos at 5 psi.

My honda was reliable, cheap, and fast enough for a daily driver. Why did I sell it? Sick of being ganged into the honda rice boy crowd any time I went anywhere in it, sick of lack of traction from a FWD car, wanted something that looks nicer. If you know what you're doing and don't buy some shitty drag kit off the shelf and try and run a bazillion psi on 89 octane with the band-aid FMU on the stock injectors you will have a reliable car. Invest some money in Hondata, invest some money in a great tune, and you can have a reliable, fast honda for not a ton of money.

 

[Xanthus]

This arguement is really tired. Mitsu's come with a turbo platform from the factory so of course its going to be easier to run more boost on these cars. As for turbo-charging hondas, I don't see a point in it. Stock motors run high compression and we're never meant to be turbo so why turn everything that motor is built toward to something it wasn't.

I used to have a 98 Honda prelude. I loved that car so much. Only mods I had we're Apex'i N1, H&R springs w/ tokiko's, exedy clutch and some falken azenis tires. I'd take that car autocrossing and road racing almost every other weekend. I beat the living piss out of that car and it never gave me one bit of trouble. Honda's will handle better than any DSM that doesn't have some serious mods to its suspension hands down. A DSM will be easier to make big numbers and lower times at the drag strip hands down. Comparing between the 2 companies is pointless, everyone has different goals for there cars. Some people also like the challenge of making something into what no one thinks they can do. Some of the top import drag cars are running on highly modified H22 and B18 motors. Can we just give credit where its deserved. Honda's and Dsm's are great cars for different reasons.

 

[JrCRXHF]

1gGSX = 16psi with minimal upgrades, (very reliable)

Integra = 6psi with aftermarket internals, (how is ur turbo lawn mower doing?)

i have both a turbo CRX HF with a B16 hondata and a t3/t4E turbo and all the mods like front mount hks ssq and 720cc greddy and the honda is a stock B16 the only reason a honda is fun is because in the case the stock honda weight for a 88 CRX Hf is 1800lbs so if u already start with a light weight car well then a little power goes along ways. the turbo has been fine on the car i put down 217whp with 7psi of boost and a really rich a/f on tom payn dyno in detroit. the car is faster then my dsm in any gears but 1 and 2 but why i love my dsm too is that it is so much bigger i don't feel like i am going to die if i get hit and with AWD u can put the power down to the ground which is fun. The two cars can not really be compaired both can be made fast but the honda is less work just because it has less parts to go bad. you only have 1 diff instead of 3 and when you make big hp u just spin the tires where with awd the power goes to the ground so of course u have a greater chance of breaking parts.

by the way i have 177,000 on the DSM and i am just now doing a EVO 3 16g

406,000 on the honda 375,000 on the stock motor which i just pulled for more power.

230,000 on a Z-71 truck which is on its 3rd 350 and needs a new 5 speed tranny

 

[gigahz95]

I dont know why everyone has all these problems with there DSM's Mine has never broke down. Except for when stupid drunk ass's try to make a u turn in my drive way and smash into my car....Got it fixed though. Dad and I picked up a parts car and cut the rear quarter pannel out and welded the replacement back on what a bi*** that was I hate Unibody cars

Because you own a fwd, with a neon motor.

Lets do 7k clutch dumps, and race to see who breaks firsts.

Lets race to 400hp and see who breaks first.

 

[MRLASERRSTURBO]

OK PEOPLE THIS A BOARD FOR DSM'ERS HELPING AND LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER NOT ABOUT SOME AGUMENT ABOUT WHAT CAR IS THE MOST RELIABLE OK LETS ACT LIKE MEN NOT KIDS DANG MANN. BUT ANYWAYS SCREW HONDUHS THIS A DSM BOARD AND WITH THAT SAID IM OUT.

 

[Eagle_Summit]

OK PEOPLE THIS A BOARD FOR DSM'ERS HELPING AND LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER NOT ABOUT SOME AGUMENT ABOUT WHAT CAR IS THE MOST RELIABLE OK LETS ACT LIKE MEN NOT KIDS DANG MANN. BUT ANYWAYS SCREW HONDUHS THIS A DSM BOARD AND WITH THAT SAID IM OUT.

turning caps lock off is more reliable.