honda to dsm/questions

[toytroy]

I might be trading one of my hondas for a 91 talon tsi. It has 112k on it. The guy says he deleted the emissions vaccum lines and not it'll idle at 2rpms for a few minutes then goes to normal. What could this be? Also, its an automatic. I've read that there is some fast autos but, how are they stock? I've read that the 1g trans are no good but, but I've also read that they decent. Non of what I've read so far tells me why they would be bad. Also, is there anything I should look for? I know rust, rod bearings, head gasket that kind of common knowledge.

 

[Tyeler18]

Whoever told you the 1g trans is junk, especially the auto has no idea what theyre talking about. The fast and CONSISTENT 1gs are all autos. They're bullet proof.

 

[Marceldsm]

1g manual can take 350hp and 400 torque on stock trans i whant to see a honda do that from factory
auto is the best choise for drag and can take EVEN MORE that the manual

 

[toytroy]

Whoever told you the 1g trans is junk, especially the auto has no idea what theyre talking about. The fast and CONSISTENT 1gs are all autos. They're bullet proof.

Good to hear. The guy says there is no rust anywhere, not even on the strut tower area. He says he selling it cause he has another kid on the way and I got him from $2100 to $1500. Is that a good price for a bone stock talon? The only other dsm's I've seen for sale are all modded and asking $4000+ so I have nothing to base it off of.

 

[miguelmcv]

The Idle could be just the Idle Control Sensor or a simple vacuum leak, However, you should check compression, to verify what you are buying and check the turbo for shaft play,..
What makes no sense is, If it is Bone Stock, why did he remove the vacuum system?.,,,...

About the price, is hard to tell, which here in CA, we can find good deals on 1g for $500 to $600 when needs some work, and from $1000 to $2000 when they are in good shape (talking about stock), Modded are totally different story.

My advice is to check very well and see what it needs to put it to your taste, calculate how much you are going to spend on it and add it to the cars value, if the total sweets you, then go for it, otherwise, wait and earn some more money till you get a good deal on another one else.

 

[toytroy]

The Idle could be just the Idle Control Sensor or a simple vacuum leak, However, you should check compression, to verify what you are buying and check the turbo for shaft play,..
What makes no sense is, If it is Bone Stock, why did he remove the vacuum system?.,,,...

About the price, is hard to tell, which here in CA, we can find good deals on 1g for $500 to $600 when needs some work, and from $1000 to $2000 when they are in good shape (talking about stock), Modded are totally different story.

My advice is to check very well and see what it needs to put it to your taste, calculate how much you are going to spend on it and add it to the cars value, if the total sweets you, then go for it, otherwise, wait and earn some more money till you get a good deal on another one else.

His story is, it was gonna be his project and that's why he just started doing simple mods like taking the vaccum stuff off. I'm southeast washington, they seem to be alittle harder to find for under $2000 in good condition. I found some but they are only fwd or have a rod knock or just not even turboed. I'm not the kind of guy that like to buy "pre moded" stuff. I like to do it my way and then I know its done right and know excactly what's done.

I'm not looking for anything crazy. I'm a stock body, but great preforming kind of guy. I'm looking to make it a street strip and crack low 13's, high 12's. So me, that's not a lot to ask for. My 91 ed7 hatch does 13.1 with a gsr at 203whp, lsd trans and drag radials. This is also on a 70 degree clear day with slight humidity at alittle over sea level.

I don't really know at this point what I need to get into the low 13's. I know I could just go all out and get a new turbo manifold, turbo, front mount, injectors, exhaust, tires ect... But that would be way out of my price range. If I get the car. I plan on doing a build for $2000 (not including tires or suspension). I believe that my goal isn't too unreasonable and can be don't for $2000. If I'm wrong please correct me. I know hondas better then myself but, dsms are a whole new ball game and I'm in little league hahaha

 

[asianandy87]

I personally would not trade for a dsm.
You most likely do not know what your getting yourself into.
No offense.
Me being a moron traded my 03 Tuscani Tiburon gt
for a 91 fwd talon tsi.
With work done to it and it was wayy more than expected I just recently got rid of it after 11 months of not running

 

[risforroy]

If you're really serious about the car, check it over real well for rust. Open the doors, remove the kick panel on the door sill, and pull the carpet up to check the floorboards. 1g's are notorious for rotting floor pans from clogged or leaking sunroof seals (if the car has a sunroof).

Trans is good to around 400-450wtq, it's torque that breaks transmissions, bot necessarily horsepower. The automatics are much stronger and obviously more consistent, but I have no real world experience with the auto's so I can't give any better advice.

Check behind the strut towers (side closest to the firewall) for rust, seen quite a few rust out there.

 

[ofgofg]

If it runs well, dosent smoke, is awd, isnt all banged up or tore up, or rusted out,, then DO IT! Just make sure your trading is close on value. A 112k mile dsm is somewhat rare these days, and it should be good runner as long as its been maintained and isnt hacked up with stupid mods. Best if you want to mod, to do it your self and not try to figure out somebody elses cheap tricks. Do it!

 

[AK Maniak]

Keep in mind that DSM's are like crack. I got a 98 RS as my first car and ever since then I have had one. It started off as just a casual interest. Then a hobby. Now it is a full blown addiction. I finally realized how bad it was when I started eating top ramen on a daily basis just so I could save money for parts.

 

[billyt]

^^^ so true. I had a 98 gs and sold it when I got a 91 4g63 VR4 motor and a 97 gst shell. Its addictive. Every weekend that I had time I would just work on it. It has been a year because I did a complete overhaul on the motor so now I have a fully built street car ( just needs a good tune) My girlfriend/ex/whatever it is now blames the downfall on the car . Anyway, Having a DSM is like having another relationship or an affair, take your pick.

Bottom line.... these cars rock when they are kept well.

 

[Paul@RTM]

I might be trading one of my hondas for a 91 talon tsi.

If you're from a Honda background, take whatever knowledge you acquired from that phase in your life and leave it in your remaining Honda. Do NOT transfer it over to your DSM, it'll only cause you grief and misery.

 

[reallyslowfwd]

if the stock 1g auto trans was bulletproof there would be no need for venders to sell an upgraded end clutch kit. that being said they are not junk if maintained / properly rebuilt. my 1gb had 103k on the clock when the trans took a crap. got all the correct parts needed from IPT (great ppl btw) and had a shop rebuild it. that one lasted about a year. not the trans fault, I put that on the shop that rebuilt it.
not trying to scare you from buying a dsm just trying to let you know what you could be getting into

 

[Tyeler18]

If you're from a Honda background, take whatever knowledge you acquired from that phase in your life and leave it in your remaining Honda. Do NOT transfer it over to your DSM, it'll only cause you grief and misery.

I agree.

You want a high 12 second car, you'd be surprised how easy that will be, especially with an auto. The factory turbo will easily get you there. We all say were just going to lightly mod them though, but if you've never owned a boosted car before you'll soon find that's never the case.

 

[griffin81]

only problems I seen with most dsm auto or manual is age, and guys taking short cutts that end bad. If every thing done right first time very reliable. I drive my car 90 miles day round trip most part I dont have lot trouble. I make 251 hp and 256 torque very mild build.

 

[OutKastGSX]

Keep in mind that DSM's are like crack. I got a 98 RS as my first car and ever since then I have had one. It started off as just a casual interest. Then a hobby. Now it is a full blown addiction. I finally realized how bad it was when I started eating top ramen on a daily basis just so I could save money for parts.

Lol so true its probly not funny to non dsmers.

 

[Tyeler18]

if the stock 1g auto trans was bulletproof there would be no need for venders to sell an upgraded end clutch kit. that being said they are not junk if maintained / properly rebuilt. my 1gb had 103k on the clock when the trans took a crap. got all the correct parts needed from IPT (great ppl btw) and had a shop rebuild it. that one lasted about a year. not the trans fault, I put that on the shop that rebuilt it.
not trying to scare you from buying a dsm just trying to let you know what you could be getting into

The IPT in our full drag colt held up just fine. Just last month sold it, but it has made tons of 11 second passes, tons of street abuse, and didn't have a hint of issues. The stock tranny would've held up just fine as well. It is bullet proof, sure an end clutch upgrade is necessary, but that's like saying that the stock 7 bolts are crap because their headstuds can't handle any pressure.

 

[AngelOfPassion]

Dude that ramen thing is so true. I seriously skip lunch some days at work just so I don't have to buy food so I can see how much extra I can throw into my car...

I didn't think this was that bad until reading someone else that does it too...