Hmm...Interesting, New Sheet Metal Intake Any Idea's?

[anconover]

john shep uses the BJ's sheetmetal intake, hes doing pretty good id have to say and the magnus is 1 of the better for street drivability. very to no low end is lost in many cases.

 

[Revolution]

I dont get it why is every body bad mouthing other shops and products.?? I can understand that some ppl have issues with the quality of some shop's products. So if that is the case just state it and give a word of caution to others. We are the consumers we dont give each other crap, and lies trying to sell stuff that we obviuosly would never see a penny for, this my fellow members is called word of mouth uncut and totally real.

I am trying to build a pro street race car , and I am going to try and break into the low elevens and then the tens this year with what I think are the right specific mods. This pro street race car is also my daily driver. So unless you are willing to sacrifice you'r low end /comfortable stock like drive because shep has one then by all means go for it , because I definitally wont.

Go ahead read my past post and you will see that I am a man that like's the best of both worlds . I the consumer just like you doesent want to pay out of my ass nor do I want to lose me daily driver capabilities. I do want an insane amount of top end that could snap a yanko in half just under 6 seconds.

Hey i already explained why the design works and what the perks are, but im just tired of reading misinfomed ppl .


Good enough for a Ten sec street car??? Ill take that any day over a laggy 8sec race car.

 

[Chrono]

Guys!

By making this thread, I didnt wantto start a war over who has the best manifold, or which manifold will give you the best numbers. All im sayin is there is another product over there, maybe for people who dont want to spent some much cash, yet get some performance out of there car. I mean, I myself, I am running a Magnus, as a fellow Canadian im supporting loscal business, but that is here nor there. This is seriously a post about a new product, something we can look at and see if its right for "you" just because someone else wants a 8 second car doesnt mean that everyones goals. I mean hell Id be MORE THEN HAPPY with a mid 11 second car. Nevertheless, We now have some proof on what this mani is capable of, I say rather then trash it maybe have some sugections on how to make it better

 

[anconover]

you guys think its so much cheaper, its 100$ cheaper than much better looking/crafted PROVEN manifolds. wich can be picked up for the same price as the dejon manifold wich is heavy, looks homemade and made from mild steel. just not worth it simply put.

 

[Chrono]

but your missing the point, that it is out there, if someone wants to use this porduct let it be. You have to remember all people have different goals, and want different things out there cars. I mean it's simply here because I wanted a review on it, or if someone has used it....not to bash it

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

If they don't like it, then a review is a bash, yes? I don't like it, Im not bashing it, simply reviewing all the reasons I don't like it.

 

[anconover]

im telling you it sucks, and why it sucks. i dont care if someone wants a 9 sec car or a 14sec car, either way the manifold is not worth the money. not like its going to perform better on either. For a little more you can have a NICE manifold, thats PROVEN power. Not saying people cant or shouldnt buy it, thats theyre own choice, but i suggest looking elsewhere.

 

[Chrono]

If they don't like it, then a review is a bash, yes? I don't like it, Im not bashing it, simply reviewing all the reasons I don't like it.

Agreed

But hey, I mean it seems to have decent preformance, maybe it just looks liek shit...I mean that can be worked on....

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by anconover
im telling you it sucks, and why it sucks. i dont care if someone wants a 9 sec car or a 14sec car, either way the manifold is not worth the money. not like its going to perform better on either. For a little more you can have a NICE manifold, thats PROVEN power. Not saying people cant or shouldnt buy it, thats theyre own choice, but i suggest looking elsewhere.

I really hate people who put an emphasis on whether something is "proven" or not. That does not change the effectiveness of it relative to other products, merely that its adequate. DSM'ers always follow the proven path, and it makes the cars significantly less fun to race.

 

[hostile]

Originally posted by NDgsx
Flow distribution between cylinders. Marco didn't design his intake overnight.
What's important is what you want the car to do. If you like good response for the street don't go with a manifold that has a large plenum. It makes for crappy transient response. I've driven a car with a venom manifold (new style) and wasn't impressed for real street driving. Sure it pulled hard as all hell at high rpms at WOT, but it just wasn't as fun to drive on the street. The owner of that car has since gone back to a stock intake manifold and still pulls high 11s on pump gas.

That seems more like a turbo problem than a Intake manifold design flaw.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by hostile
That seems more like a turbo problem than a Intake manifold design flaw.

No, plenum harmonics play a huge part in car response.

 

[hostile]

I know two people with the bj's manifold and neither one of them complained about lag.

Why do people who have never had a part on their car talk about it like they know something.

You would probably say a 50 trim was laggy too.

Give me a break...

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by hostile
I know two people with the bj's manifold and neither one of them complained about lag.

Why do people who have never had a part on their car talk about it like they know something.

You would probably say a 50 trim was laggy too.

Give me a break...

I do kinda run mid 11's and I have kinda used 3 different manifolds.

 

[anconover]

those manifolds being? because ive seen a post, a dsm club forum ill look, said dejon intake manifold added 11whp. swapped it for the BJ and gained 27whp no other tuning. the dejon manifold wasnt carefully tested and designed. basically it looks like he sketched up one, made it, and sold it. wether someone thinks its good or not, its overpriced for using MILD STEEL, and looks poorly crafted. the the flanges like his other things look on the thin side. people have much different tolerances of lag, many say the 50trim is laggy, they in my opinion are on CRACK.

but by all means u run mid 11's, obviously you knw what the best intake manifold is. you guys can bench race between these damn manifolds and use the butt dyno to decide, but PROOF is the real deciding factor between these all. and magnus's 54whp gain is pretty impressive.

and BTW the magnus design manifold was good enough for 650whp so far, so i dont see a problem with it.

 

[anconover]

This may be for you.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by anconover
those manifolds being? because ive seen a post, a dsm club forum ill look, said dejon intake manifold added 11whp. swapped it for the BJ and gained 27whp no other tuning. the dejon manifold wasnt carefully tested and designed. basically it looks like he sketched up one, made it, and sold it. wether someone thinks its good or not, its overpriced for using MILD STEEL, and looks poorly crafted. the the flanges like his other things look on the thin side. people have much different tolerances of lag, many say the 50trim is laggy, they in my opinion are on CRACK.

but by all means u run mid 11's, obviously you knw what the best intake manifold is. you guys can bench race between these damn manifolds and use the butt dyno to decide, but PROOF is the real deciding factor between these all. and magnus's 54whp gain is pretty impressive.

and BTW the magnus design manifold was good enough for 650whp so far, so i dont see a problem with it.

Magnus, custom, stock, and I hate Dejons and love BJ's so whats your point? All I said was that plenum design is important for bottom end.

 

[SoSprayMe]

Originally posted by twoboosted
...Damn near all, if not most of the dsm's out there have at least one part from dejon (guess this means they all buy crappy parts also).

In my close circle of DSM friends, I'd say 12 in all, we have had nothing but bad luck with Dejon products. Namely the boost controllers. I would say half of us have had one Dejon made part but we either trashed it or sold it on Trader. None of our cars currently have Dejon products and won't have any in the future. Just to clear that up a little. I think a proper way to correct your comment is "..most of the low budget DSMers.." I am a huge fan of the Buschur Racing intake manifold.

Good day,

Don't think ill of me because my first post is a critical one. I love you guys.

[Edit->] Eh, correction one still has a Dejon MBC..

 

[twoboosted]

Is this THREAD about a new product or that people have had problems with dejon? Instead of arguing about what problems we have had let's look at the basic's

Mangus proven performance....yes (cheap no,not everyone can pay that type of money) If this makes me cheap so be it I'd rather spend the extra money else where on the car.

Bj's proven manifold... yes, I guess proven (I don't know but reading the post I guees you guys do know)

dejon's manifold...yes (might not have the looks as some but it does exactly what Dave said it would) Also Dave tells you when you call about this manifold that he made it as an idea. Aren't most of the products we buy ideas (Case and point maft)? Not once when you call and ask Dave about this manifold soes he say it will give you X. The only thing he has stated is it's better then the stocker.

I find it hard to believe that dejon is the only product that everyone has had a problem with. For me "personally" I will continue to use his stuff because I have not had one problem with anything I or anyone else has ordered from him. Again this is my opinion and I can talk crap about dealing with magnus and get flamed for it but I don't becasue my problems with them are between me and them. I'm sure I'll hear someone's feelings about what I wrote.

 

[SoSprayMe]

Originally posted by twoboosted
dejon's manifold...yes (might not have the looks as some but it does exactly what Dave said it would) Also Dave tells you when you call about this manifold that he made it as an idea. Aren't most of the products we buy ideas (Case and point maft)? Not once when you call and ask Dave about this manifold soes he say it will give you X. The only thing he has stated is it's better then the stocker.

Dejon's manifold is proven? Yet you said the only thing he stated about it is its better then stocker? That isn't much of an improvement. Which car has the Dejon int/man on it that "proves" it? Just curious.

Regards,

 

[twoboosted]

To answer your question my car and again it's my opinion so before this goes the wrong way let me explain. When I said proven I was talking about my times at the track from last year to last sunday with his manifold on. 13.9 to 11.9 (yes this w/slicks was the only upgrade). To "ME" this is proven but since this is not enough I'll get to the dyno and post the #'s. After reading all the pages it seems the only thing this thread has turned into is how much everyone has had a problem with dejon. I mean correct if I'm wrong but wasn't it started about a new product that has come out?

 

[anconover]

so you dropped 2 seconds by just installing a dejon intake mani, and not touching ANYTHING else? and the reason people are naming theyre problems with dejon, is to show how great this manifold probly is. ive heard at least 1 complaint about every product he sells, so this may or may NOT be different. Dejon mani is yet to be proven, and it wont be able to hang with most of the other name brand manifolds i can tell you right now. and his manifold is far from 'cheap'. its 400$ (only 100$ less than the proven and bling magnus) and it looks cheap, no testing involved in the design, and its cheap mild steel. powdercoat scratches off that thing itll rust real quick.

 

[twoboosted]

Originally posted by anconover
so you dropped 2 seconds by just installing a dejon intake mani, and not touching ANYTHING else? and the reason people are naming theyre problems with dejon, is to show how great this manifold probly is. ive heard at least 1 complaint about every product he sells, so this may or may NOT be different. Dejon mani is yet to be proven, and it wont be able to hang with most of the other name brand manifolds i can tell you right now. and his manifold is far from 'cheap'. its 400$ (only 100$ less than the proven and bling magnus) and it looks cheap, no testing involved in the design, and its cheap mild steel. powdercoat scratches off that thing itll rust real quick.

Yes as it may be hard for you or anyone else to believe but this was the only mod I've done since last year. Naming other problems with his other products means this manifold is garbage? About the "only $100 cheaper", that's a pretty large amount at least for me (no money tree here). Next the powdercoating thing yes it does scratch but for all the crap I've scraped this thing on trying to get it in the car and dropping it, not one scratch plus you can get it nickle plated if your worried about it. Please don't get me wrong I think magnus's manifold is a great product but I also believe so is dejon's. For me I bought dejon's over the magnus because a buddy of mine ordered his and the thing took a month to get to him. You don't here me saying oh mangus sucks because it takes them time to make their products and yes I've had a few dealings with magnus. If the manifold gives me 11 or 30hp I still say it's worth it. I will find out this weekend what it has given me.

 

[SoSprayMe]

Originally posted by twoboosted
To answer your question my car and again it's my opinion so before this goes the wrong way let me explain. When I said proven I was talking about my times at the track from last year to last sunday with his manifold on. 13.9 to 11.9 (yes this w/slicks was the only upgrade). To "ME" this is proven but since this is not enough I'll get to the dyno and post the #'s. After reading all the pages it seems the only thing this thread has turned into is how much everyone has had a problem with dejon. I mean correct if I'm wrong but wasn't it started about a new product that has come out?

You previously said by installing the Dejon int/man over the stock int/man an 11whp gain was realized. Since when is an 11whp gain a 2second 1/4mile time difference? x 2

 

[SoSprayMe]

And another thing. An 11Whp gain and a 30Whp gain are both "still worth it" 19Whp is something you will be fighting for at the end. 19Whp for 100$ is a bargain.

Ragards,

 

[twoboosted]

Originally posted by SoSprayMe
You previously said by installing the Dejon int/man over the stock int/man an 11whp gain was realized. Since when is an 11whp gain a 2second 1/4mile time difference? x 2

I've never wrote that this manifold gave a 11hp gain that was another post from I forget who but he wrote that he read it on another web site. But yes I did say the manifold is better then the stock one. Hope that helps.