HKS SSQV Noise

[Zakanitis]

Well I installed my HKS SSQV today and well at first the vacuum line that looks like it goes to the intake mani, well, was to big to fit onto the small end of the BOV. But I decided just to zip tie it on there and its great.

Ok well my first noise w/o the zip tie was like a swirling noise. People who have this BOV know this noise quite well im guessin, because it will do this under low boost.

With the line zip tied it sounds well... I just cannot believe how loud this is. Its a very high pitch noise that will even scare you when hearing it near you if your not ready for it. It sounds like a bottle rocket going off in your face.

So is this what noise everyone else got from putting it on?


Oh, I even scared some old dude who hit is head getting into his truck in my town by going by

 

[InfiniteGSX]

The SSQV and Type S are still loud even with a Recirc... Not as loud, but you can still notice it... So its not like its such a bad thing... Just hook up a microphone to the BOV and hook it up to a loud speaker, you'll be fine! haha

 

[Moparbishi]

The reason why i got a piece of aluminum weld on to recirculate, is because you can still keep the fins the the bov. With recirc. kit you have to take out those, that piece with 3 fins and then put on the adapter. I have heard that the fins give it the unique sound.

 

[bpestilence]

You don't have to explain. If that's the way you wanted to do it, it's cool with me.

And yes, definate bandwagon behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions because they are going to be shit on by someone, for whom in their own opinion, thinks it is not the right thing to do.

If someone does something, and they are willing to deal with the possible consequences, then it is nobody's business to tell them otherwise. Like, my pet peave is people who don't run catalytic convertors. But I don't go shitting on everyone who doesn't do it the way I like.

 

[mavisky]

You don't have to explain. If that's the way you wanted to do it, it's cool with me.

And yes, definate bandwagon behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions because they are going to be shit on by someone, for whom in their own opinion, thinks it is not the right thing to do.

If someone does something, and they are willing to deal with the possible consequences, then it is nobody's business to tell them otherwise. Like, my pet peave is people who don't run catalytic convertors. But I don't go shitting on everyone who doesn't do it the way I like.

Noone's telling him not to do it his way, we're simply informing him that he's going to be experiencing less than ideal behavior as he drives the car and transfers from boost to vacuum and back to boost. Most people who don't shift really fast will not notice a big decrease in changing gears. Where you'll see the biggest change is when you're on the throttle in gear, lift, and then get back on the throttle. With the bov improperly vented you'll get a substantial difference in the speed in which the turbo will reach full boost again as the rich condition will cause it to stumble and the pressure will drop considerably. With it properly vented or recirculated the car will not have this slight stumble and the boost will recover much quicker. I never noticed it that much until I started autocrossing and that's where it became painfully obvious to me.

If you don't mind this lack of response in exchange for the cool sound then feel free to do whatever you'd like to, but in the end you are literally sacrificing speed for sound.

 

[motox-010]

What is the difference between recirculating and venting? I am assuming venting is your BOV is just blowing off and the air is just lost. But where does it recirc to when it does recirculate?

 

[numlock666]

Back into the intake snorkel.

 

[TearsForTalon]

Bandwagon BS? Are you kidding me? The whole venting to the atmosphere is what caused the bandwagon jumpers, not those of us who believe in doing things correctly. It's not about doing things the same way. Hell I love innovation, but that's not what this is about. It's about doing certain things right, not doing things to sound cool when you shift. I'm a firm believer in form following function (Me too). That's what bothers me about the import scene. Most people seem to be more concerned with a loud BOV sound even when they know it's not the optimal setup (not all the time).

If you vent to the atmosphere on a stock 1G or 2G MAF you're more concerned about looking cool on the streets than tuning your car to run at the best of its abilities. I guess I'm just too old for this scene and am not part of the "cool crowd". This will always be a hopeless debate. Carry on... I'm just poking my nose in here trying to point the newbs in the right direction.

(I just so happen to have a SSQV sitting in the garage, waiting on the recirc kit. Switching from a blow-through setup to a 2G MAS)

Everybody seems to be forgetting about standalone engine management. I'm venitng to atmosphere and it runs apsolutely %100 perfect.

 

[mavisky]

Everybody seems to be forgetting about standalone engine management. I'm venitng to atmosphere and it runs apsolutely %100 perfect.

We aren't forgetting about it, but at this point in time there's probably about 5% or less of dsm'ers running it and most people asking venting questions aren't ready to be worried about a standalone system like a Haltech, Megasquirt, or AEM EMS system by any means.

 

[Ludachris]

Everybody seems to be forgetting about standalone engine management. I'm venitng to atmosphere and it runs apsolutely %100 perfect.

Hence, why I mentioned venting using a 1G or 2G factory MAF in the post you quoted. Nobody's forgetting about stand alone EMS here, but only a handful of DSMers will spend the money on that.

 

[Ludachris]

And yes, definate bandwagon behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions because they are going to be shit on by someone, for whom in their own opinion, thinks it is not the right thing to do.

If someone does something, and they are willing to deal with the possible consequences, then it is nobody's business to tell them otherwise. Like, my pet peave is people who don't run catalytic convertors. But I don't go shitting on everyone who doesn't do it the way I like.

Nobody is getting shit on here. We're simply trying to steer everyone who reads this in the right direction.

It's not bandwagon behavior to do something the correct way. It's not about doing it my way or your way. It's about letting people know that they are purposely doing something that the ECU is not able to compensate for in order to make their car sound cool between shifts. It will make the car run less than optimal. There's nothing to debate, it's simply the wrong way to do it unless you have a MAFT or a stand alone EMS. The idea is to spread information that will HELP people make their cars run better, not worse. And the spirit of this site has always been about modifying DSMs for better performance, not to sound cool. We don't pretend to cater to everyone. We want people to come here to find information about performance and that's the type of help people should come here for.

Now if the person has all of the information and still wants to do it, fine. But maybe they'll have better luck getting help from some other forum where the main focus isn't about making DSMs perform better. That's our main focus here and we're not going to let it change in order to be all things to all people. It's in our Mission statement on our homepage and we plan to continue to try and point newbies in what we feel is the right direction - and that means encouraging them to do things properly without sacrificing performance for image.

 

[TunaTalon]

As long as we build objects to work in the real world we must know the rules of physics whether they are the rules of this forum or not. Frank Lloyd Wright was no bandwagon architect but he always put foundations under his load bearing walls.

In the case of this well beaten dead horse, putting more or less air into the combustion chamber than ECU knows about is bad engineering and will have bad consequences.
If the goal is a loud BOV then meter the air with a blow through. And make sure the BOV is not also a CBV. Unfiltered air is not as bad as unmetered air, but still bad.

Creativity is not stifled by good engineering practices. For all of the thousands of members of the DSM community, I expect my Talon is unique. And I always follow the rules, even if I have to make them up as I go.

 

[emoguitarboy]

If they want the sound it should be done the right way, go get the brand name BOV and a GM MAFT setup. Roughly gonna cost you somewhere between 300-600 depending on where you get the parts. Its worth it if you are absolutley bent on venting to atmo. I may switch to it eventually for routing pourpses... So I Don't have to wory about where I have to place the BOV.

IMO I can't stand the sound of the SSQ, 1) it sounds a little to much like compressor surge for my taste and 2) the "unique" noise is the same as everone else out there... I like having the type S I never hear them... and if you want a real unique noise get the above mentioned setup and tape a duck call to it. vrrrrooooommmmmm >QUACK< no one would ever see that comming.

My car came without the $10 and some one capped off the inlet... my car ran like crap. Truthfully I won't trust anyhting a DSM says after I hear them say "You can vent to atmo with out a problem"

 

[xxraptor660xx]

IMO I can't stand the sound of the SSQ, 1) it sounds a little to much like compressor surge for my taste and 2) the "unique" noise is the same as everone else out there... I like having the type S I never hear them... and if you want a real unique noise get the above mentioned setup and tape a duck call to it. vrrrrooooommmmmm >QUACK< no one would ever see that comming.

+1 to the SSQ noise being not so unique.
and;;
+1 to not hearing the type S on every car. That's exactly why I have one.

 

[emoguitarboy]

+1 to the SSQ noise being not so unique.
and;;
+1 to not hearing the type S on every car. That's exactly why I have one.

I'm really thinking about the duck call (or some other animal) for mine... Just cause I think it would be funny

 

[Littlebeeper]

I'm really thinking about the duck call (or some other animal) for mine... Just cause I think it would be funny

got a couple more days to sport the Turkey call on that BOV there buddy

 

[TheAButton]

Hence, why I mentioned venting using a 1G or 2G factory MAF in the post you quoted. Nobody's forgetting about stand alone EMS here, but only a handful of DSMers will spend the money on that.

And that's the problem with your average run of the mill DSM owner, who just sold there Honda cause the couldn't afford to turbo it, and bought a DSM instead.

 

[TheAButton]

Oh ya I tried the duck call thing, and it didn't really work, it was like the duck call was getting too much air to work, anyone have suggestions on which kind of duck call to buy?

 

[snowborder714]

You brought this thread back from dead to ask about a duck call? WTF

 

[_Adrian_]

You don't have to explain. If that's the way you wanted to do it, it's cool with me.

And yes, definate bandwagon behavior. People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions because they are going to be shit on by someone, for whom in their own opinion, thinks it is not the right thing to do.

If someone does something, and they are willing to deal with the possible consequences, then it is nobody's business to tell them otherwise . Like, my pet peave is people who don't run catalytic convertors. But I don't go shitting on everyone who doesn't do it the way I like.

Whats wrong with not running a catalytic converters ??

Besides i do both !! ( Test pipe and Vent to the atmosphere )
I have set up my airflow tables in my e-manage ultimate so i can do away with the MAF.
Previous Owner had "hacked" the honeycombs out of the MAF so it ran like SHIT when i got the car to be honest now it runs 1000x better !!
Also I'm waiting for the "E-Bay" CX Racing IC kit which is basically the Punishment racing one.

My pet peeve is ppl that overlook that fact that some of us have limited funds and just want to do things our way. If it blows up it blows up, no need to ridicule people about it.
Sometimes i think these boards are like High school all over again. Just because someone isn't a Lemming that don't mean that they are "weird" or "geeks"

 

[knochgoon24]

Whats wrong with not running a catalytic converters ??

Besides i do both !! ( Test pipe and Vent to the atmosphere )
I have set up my airflow tables in my e-manage ultimate so i can do away with the MAF.
Previous Owner had "hacked" the honeycombs out of the MAF so it ran like SHIT when i got the car to be honest now it runs 1000x better !!
Also I'm waiting for the "E-Bay" CX Racing IC kit which is basically the Punishment racing one.

My pet peeve is ppl that overlook that fact that some of us have limited funds and just want to do things our way. If it blows up it blows up, no need to ridicule people about it.
Sometimes i think these boards are like High school all over again. Just because someone isn't a Lemming that don't mean that they are "weird" or "geeks"

Wait, like high school again? You mean by digging up argument from 2 years ago just for the sake of arguing?

 

[mindset]

This is so true i have had so many people ask me why isn't my bov loud and i have to explain about recurculating..
Who cares about the cool noise isn't the power good enough ??
I also will be purchasing an SSQV bov in the next week..

I hate explaining. People look at me like I'm retarded or something. Especially Honduh kids.

What is the difference between recirculating and venting? I am assuming venting is your BOV is just blowing off and the air is just lost. But where does it recirc to when it does recirculate?

Ok. When the BOV RECIRCULATES, It gets put back into the turbo and spooled and goes into the cyls for combustion. When it is vented (cool ricey noise) the air is vented to the atomosphere and not put back in the cycle of the motor. The computer thinks you have 17psi still in the intercooler pipes so it's going to put in enough fuel to combust 17psi. Thats alot. Now that you just put all the air into the atomosphere, your car is going to run rich and like crap because it put in enough fuel to combust the 17 psi. Trust me, my friend just tried doing it so he could hear a duck call noise and the car stalled twice. That was funny! Currently my car and his car are recirculated. We used flex hoses at Autozone. Perfect application for recirculating.

Please recirculate!


EDIT: Sorry mods, didn't see this forum was from 2007