Help me reach 500 hp!

waterman412 · Nov 20, 2009

i kinda have an idea of what i wanna do, im gonna lay out what i know,and if you guys could add anything or correct me id greatly appreciate it,my goal is 500 HP but if i fall short and im in the upper 400's than ill be happy...

new turbo( please help with the best one for my goal)
injen intake
Greddy Type S BOV
Turbo XS manual Boost Controller
2.3l stroker kit(what else do i need if im putting this in)
new cams(264/264 or 272/272)
cam gears ( what kind)
injectors( what size and kind)
remove a/c
DSMlink
turbo manifold/headers ( best one for turbo)
exhaust ===thermal R&D????( best sounding one, hopefully more of a throaty sound, than a fart can sound)
UD pulley
FMIC( best setup and company)
there was this part i think it had to do with the intake that made more of a hissing or whining noise and i know it wasnt the BOV nad wanted to know what that was, maybe some turbo piping?

***if theres anything you need to add or suggest or correct please help!!!

red_devil · Nov 20, 2009

Oh greeze...

First you need to know what budget is then you need to decide on what fuel to run= E85, race gas or regular gas with water/meth mix.

Turbo- Again depends on budget but like some ppl will say to got with a Holest HX40 (not naming anyone here of course

)

You will need a lot of fuel so 1000cc injectors or bigger and a few fuel pumps like a Walbro 255 and Bosch 044 setup.

ECM V3 for sure withsome dyno time

Motor-not getting into that if you havent read up some but if your going 2.3 then 280 Kelfords would be best. Good luck putting a injen intake on a 4" turbo inlet. Just get any 4" + intake.

Built tranny (Shep, Jack, TRE ect)

Clutch- few options but a 2900 act or a twin disc would be good.

Large intercooler with all the piping

SMIM would help

Good flowng exhaust manifold and 3" turbo back (you dont have headers)

etc..etc

waterman412 · Nov 20, 2009

well im deff running regular gas in it, and budget im not to worried about because this is gonna be over time not over night ya know? if im gonna put money into a car im gonna keep it untill it completly blows up or i die..

and is the thermal R & D a good choice or no...

juanpac0 · Nov 20, 2009

Tech Guide - DSMtuners

Help yourself, there's plenty of information out there for you to help you reach that goal.

cyclonekid77 · Nov 20, 2009

good luck. What does your car make now? Just because you buy the "best" doesnt mean you wont make the most power. Its not what you have, its what you do with what you do have. People go 11's on 14b's. People go 10's on 16g's and make over 400hp on them. You could have a much less expensive list and still hit your goal.

98mitsubishigst · Nov 20, 2009

Im doing my first build.. and im doing a stock rebuild. i suggest you read up ALOT before getting into this.. 500Hp is alot and ALOT of money.. because it didnt sound like u were so sure on how to come around to this. but i could be wrong

good luck to yah man

red_devil · Nov 20, 2009

waterman412 said:
well im deff running regular gas in it, and budget im not to worried about because this is gonna be over time not over night ya know? if im gonna put money into a car im gonna keep it untill it completly blows up or i die..

and is the thermal R & D a good choice or no...

Good luck making 500hp on just regular octane.

R & D is good. But you dont have to spend lot of money on a exhaust system to make good power.

nytescion · Nov 20, 2009

-hx40/bw 258-366
-1000cc injectors
-bosch fuel pump
-something other than 2g or 1g maf
-dsmlink or chip
-3" intake isn't hard just need a coupler. Restriction? maybe
-2.5-3" IC piping with a big core maybe ETS or Slowboy Race kits
-Built trans
-SMIM
-twin disk or 2900 (I'm using the 2600 but I'm going to switch to twin disk)
-FP Race manifold or some t3 or t3 flange manifold (dependent on what kinda spool you want and turbo you decide on)
-some type of upgraded motor/trans mounts

Lavery · Nov 20, 2009

I really do not want to seem like a prick but i think you should learn a little more about your car before you start this project. But you will want to pick up some sort of data logger. And a big brake kit to slow this puppy down. (It wont help you reach 500hp and its not a necessity but def would be wise and you could tear it up in AutoX!)

LiquidX · Nov 20, 2009

Like others have stated, read up on everything first and the upgrade guide works well. You'll want ALL of your maitence taken care of and that is a good time to upgrade as well but here is my info.

new turbo( please help with the best one for my goal) You'll need to search and check out other peoples builds that are in that hp range
injen intake Why when ebay is the same and only $50
Greddy Type S BOV
Turbo XS manual Boost Controller
2.3l stroker kit(what else do i need if im putting this in) Aside from $1300-$2500 for a complete roatating assembly, the cost of the machine shop and other misc. parts for the rebuild
new cams(264/264 or 272/272) All depends on where you want your power at
cam gears ( what kind)
injectors( what size and kind) If you plan on running ecmlink, then bigger the better since it can control it and gives you more breathing room for the future.

remove a/c Why, to free 5hp?
DSMlink
turbo manifold/headers ( best one for turbo) "Best" would most likely be a twin scroll setup. Those will cost you at least $700 and then you'll have to buy 2 wastegates plus extra exhaust piping
exhaust ===thermal R&D????( best sounding one, hopefully more of a throaty sound, than a fart can sound) Just goto an exhaust shop and have one made. Want deep sound, use a magnaflow muffler.
UD pulley I would recomend that you loose the under drive pulley. They are good if you only race and keep an eye on everything constantly. They have been known to destroy crankshafts from bad vibrations.
FMIC( best setup and company) All depends on the amount of air you are pushing
there was this part i think it had to do with the intake that made more of a hissing or whining noise and i know it wasnt the BOV nad wanted to know what that was, maybe some turbo piping?

Terrancegst · Nov 20, 2009

you dont need a smim or big ass cams you can reach that hp goal with the stock intake manifold,264's are a good choice for a STREET car because you gain bottom and top end without any gaps.I recomend a twin disk setup (powertrain,quartermaster)a little costly but a good investment!1000cc's or better,a good ignition system,aem or any decent ems.back in mar of 97'switzer ran 10's with a pms ems,crane hdi6 ign,and a td05 20g!so you dont require a man sz turbo a td06h clipped 20g will get you where you would like to be!its a bit out dated turbo but it gets the job done and you can get one new one for around $550-700.no need the ride the gt,holset,dsm link bandwagon do something different.good luck with you build

1gDSM4g63 · Nov 20, 2009

LiQUiDx said:
new cams(264/264 or 272/272) All depends on where you want your power at

272/272 is probably to best choice or 280/280 for a turbo capable of putting down 500 HP, but the best way to determine the cams is first deciding which turbo you're going with and looking at the spool factors.

LiQUiDx said:
cam gears ( what kind)

Cam gears are useless unless you are trying to squeeze out ever ounce of power your setup is capable in which you'll need to find a DSM tuner that know what he/she is doing and a dyno.

LiQUiDx said:
turbo manifold/headers ( best one for turbo) "Best" would most likely be a twin scroll setup. Those will cost you at least $700 and then you'll have to buy 2 wastegates plus extra exhaust piping

Twin scroll manifold require a twin scroll turbo housing which are only available for T3 or larger housing. In no way will you ever need that large of a turbo.

Blak Pearl · Nov 20, 2009

500hp is not hard to get on pump so dont let anyone discourage you. I made 517hp 412 tq on pump on my old set up without a built tranny, stock axels, SCM 60-1, ebay manifold, ebay intercooler
check out my thread and read the first post for ideals
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...barrier-build.html?highlight=breaking+barrier

1gDSM4g63 · Nov 20, 2009

Terrancegst said:
you dont need a smim or big ass cams you can reach that hp goal with the stock intake manifold,264's are a good choice for a STREET car because you gain bottom and top end without any gaps.I recomend a twin disk setup (powertrain,quartermaster)a little costly but a good investment!1000cc's or better,a good ignition system,aem or any decent ems.back in mar of 97'switzer ran 10's with a pms ems,crane hdi6 ign,and a td05 20g!so you dont require a man sz turbo a td06h clipped 20g will get you where you would like to be!its a bit out dated turbo but it gets the job done and you can get one new one for around $550-700.no need the ride the gt,holset,dsm link bandwagon do something different.good luck with you build

Going with 264 is possible but with the turbo that'll make 500 HP it will put it a step back
An ignition system is in no way needed
Twin disk clutch is all base on the purpose of the car, i.e. drag racing, autox, street, etc...
AEM EMS cost over $1000 rather than an ECMLink costing $500 and much easier to tune with
Holset spool faster and cost less than the 20g

waterman412 · Nov 21, 2009

wow this helps alot, thanks guys, the only last question i had was because i am doing this over time, rather than buying it all at once, what order should i purchase and install these so it will run good and not blow up or breakdown untill i get the next part.

i was thinking maybe start with the trans and clutch first

then move on to the stroker and cams and exhaust

then the turbo and manifold

then the ecu

thats as far as i can think LOL

anyone got a plans for that please????

and everyone keeps picking apart what i wanna do, and my goal, my goal is horsepower and torque, not to race or be a daily driver. i have this visino for my car, it was the same way with my camaro. that car had no purpose but to get lots of power.

i really dont know much about fuel injected cars an ill admit that i just wanted some info on what i should focus on and what i should do with my car. i love this car and what ive seen many others do with it. 500 is pretty high for a pump gas goal, but honestly if i reach any where from 400 and up ill be happy as hell.

1gDSM4g63 · Nov 21, 2009

You probably should do the turbo setup first along with the intercooler, fuel system, ECU, and clutch or the block first. You don't need to go with a stroker.

As for the transmission, it will depend on what the condition is now and your driving style. If you're shooting for 500 HP methanol injection with pump gas with get you there.

spdtuned · Nov 24, 2009

I suggest starting out with dsm link and an intercooler. This will allow you to squeez more power from your current turbo and have some fun right now while still being able to support your final goal. then once you have more $$ and/or want more power you can upgrade the turbo and mabye fuel system and go from there

95blackGsTurbo · Nov 24, 2009

Gamble97 · Nov 24, 2009

There has been more and more of these threads lately. We should get together and make a 300/400/500/600+ awd/fwd "guideline" for everyone.

And to the OP you do NOT need a 2.3L, a 2.0L will be plenty. The point to a stroker motor is to spool it faster, but if you have no idea what turbo you want there is no point to a stroked motor.
Anywho, here is an "easy" idea for 500hp.
Gt35R
T3 manifold
4" FP intake.
HKS 272cams or fp cams
3" turbo back
Tial bov
ECMLINK v3 with speed density.
JMF SMIM
FMIC
Walbro255 and bosch 044 inline fuel pump.
1g throttle body
And a LOT of what you want depends on the type of fuel you want. If your going e85, you will need some big 1450cc or bigger injectors. If your going race gas some 1000cc or 1150s should do you right.
Also an underdrive pulley is a big no no.
Cam gears is the biggest waste of money IMO. Everyone feels they need them however nobody will use them for what they are intended for.

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