Getting 280whp (AWD) and maintaining good spoolup

[aaronmatusz]

Okay, I don't know how to show you my dyno sheet, so I'll just let you in on the numbers:
255whp on 93oct @ 19psi
295whp on race gas (102oct?) @ 21psi

So here's the deal:
I'd like to squeeze another 30hp from my setup safely, minimize turbo lag...and pretty much leave it at that FOREVER.

My question is what should I start with to reach my goals?
I was thinking of a magnus intake with thick gasket and some sort of custom "short route" upper IC pipe.
I suspect a bigger turbo might be in order as well, like a PTE BB 50 trim.

Please let me know if I'm on the right track, I use this car at a local auto-X and as a daily driver.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

I don't understand why he isn't pushing 300whp with his mod list, assuming he is tuned. There's no good reason he should only be pushing 13 more whp than me in Wisconsin, when I have similar mods, tuned in 98* florida heat, BUT on the stock smic and injectors @ 15psi.

After I get my fmic and 650s in, in a couple weeks with a good tune I'd be pissed if I'm not sitting at 300whp.

 

[jking29]

I can't believe no one has suggested this...water injection! It's all you need to achieve your 30 hp goal. You can then tune it like high octane and dial in a few pounds of boost and still achieve a nice running daily driver with great spool. Of course, cams would be a great upgrade to go with it.

 

[aaronmatusz]

Well, it looks like the way to go is cover details (keeping heat away from charge air and straitening out some pipes), tune the crap out of it and see where I stand.
Thanks for all help.

...BTW, nobody said I had to use up every dollar of my budget.

 

[Slippi84]

I can't believe no one has suggested this...water injection! It's all you need to achieve your 30 hp goal. You can then tune it like high octane and dial in a few pounds of boost and still achieve a nice running daily driver with great spool. Of course, cams would be a great upgrade to go with it.

I was thinkin that too but he won't see 30hwhp from that because he used 10 and got the 280 water injection will make it seem like your running race gas in a nut shell and the diffrece in power from 105 to 115 is not enough to make another 30whp.

Caithness- How can you talk about the suggestions of a new turbo and new tuning device and say that's crazy then suggest a internal vs a bolt on part that to run with peice of mind cost more money than the bolt ons

 

[jking29]

I was thinkin that too but he won't see 30hwhp from that because he used 10 and got the 280 water injection will make it seem like your running race gas in a nut shell and the diffrece in power from 105 to 115 is not enough to make another 30whp.

I believe he is asking how he can make 280whp on pump gas, as it made 255whp on pump. He said that it made 295 on race gas, so water injection will get him well past his goals. Water injection along with 22-24lbs of boost should get him well over 300whp.

 

[droppinbottom]

Just tune what you have got. Mods are in my profile and dyno was done at 21psi on 92 pump.

 

[slipstream808]

If you like spool-up and a turbo in that HP range, there's always the T-28 varieties.

Personally, I'd say get a DSMLink hands down. It was the first mod to my car after upgrading the whole shifter and everything. I wont lie... it made that car so fun and so fast (as compared to before)!! I mean pulling fuel adding timing, woohoo! It also helped me diagnose problems and learn so friggin much.

Yes, cams will hurt the lower end, and maybe you don't want that on your AutoX car. I dunno, it's a matter of opinion. A bigger turbo, well then more lag that you may not want (it'd ###### be VERY little more depending on the turbo you'd get) for more top-end. But they both have the same thing in common - they can get old quick.

That DSMLink will NOT. I mean it'd be a WHILE before you go tired of it's "limited" capabilities. Plus ANYTHING you do to that car will be "compatible" with it. FP4's and a 16g aren't a good combo, but FP4's and a DSMLink work. a GT35R wont do to good with 750cc injectors... but a DSMLink wouldn't mind either of them. What I'm trying to get at is you'll just use it a lot and it'll work for everything up to 600hp no problem (beyond that it'll work but some people start to go standalone then but that's another topic for another day).

Oh yeah, and it'd not just for going fast... noooo. You can diagnose problems with it. Problems that WILL come up. And the technical support of ECMTuning is phenominal.

I'm glad I got it before anything else. It'll help you squeeze out that 30hp you want, and be there for another 300... if you want it.

 

[aaronmatusz]

The RRE site says:

"The BOV that came stock on the 90-94 Eclipse turbo is actually quite nice. Not as pretty as the GReddy valve but will hold up to 18 psi with out modifications."

I guess I never thought I'd get to these boost levels, so I completely forgot about the limits of the stock BOV.
This might be part of the reason I'm not making the power everybody thought I was gonna with 19-21psi of boost.

 

[Slippi84]

The RRE site says:

"The BOV that came stock on the 90-94 Eclipse turbo is actually quite nice. Not as pretty as the GReddy valve but will hold up to 18 psi with out modifications."

I guess I never thought I'd get to these boost levels, so I completely forgot about the limits of the stock BOV.
This might be part of the reason I'm not making the power everybody thought I was gonna with 19-21psi of boost.

The bov is not the reason your not makin the power you want. If you really think that read up on the dodge mod for your bov and it will hold 30 psi but trust me it's not yoru bov. slipstream808 seems to have good insight but that post came off as a whole bunch of rambling cause fp4's and gt35r are not even relevenat to this situation. Do your research first. People will tell you a million diffrent ways to go with your car. You need to read up on all the diffrent directions you can go from here then descide for yourself what you wanna do next cause only you know your goals and the things you plan on doing with your car

 

[Decker0004]

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Cams should move your power band up quite a bit.

 

[slipstream808]

Slipstream808 seems to have good insight but that post came off as a whole bunch of rambling cause fp4's and gt35r are not even relevenat to this situation.

Whoop, sorry if that came off as confusing. I was just saying that DSMLink would probably be his best choice, and would just keep on delivering for a long time for a lot of stuff.

 

[GVR4592]

Just tune what you have got. Mods are in my profile and dyno was done at 21psi on 92 pump.

I agree, you don't need to spend any money to reach that goal. Turn the boost up a couple psi, tune it, and go back to the dyno. I think your setup has an easy 30 whp left in it on pump gas with proper tuning.