FP Green Daily driver??????

[Sotarts]

Originally posted by ChicagoGSX


This is Engine Performance. If you're going to post newbie questions, then be prepared for people to make posts like JDM's. It's easy as that. There are numerous posts on the Green and everyone who is ready to have a Green knows its abilities.

I still think you're missing the point. He's a d*ck in EVERY forum, that includes HANGOUT. Look some up!!!

 

[mccurdy]

What RPM approx does the green spool up at? I got a Super 19C junior frank turbo, right under a 20G, but mines ported and clipped 15 degree's for high top end power. Mine spools up around like 4k , 4.5k RPM , thats minus a larger downpipe and cat, nor do i have a ported o2 sensor housing...

Im thinkin of switching to a FP Green or T3/T4 50trim myself, how streetable is it? Would it spool up faster than my 19C? Cause I got a turbo'd trans am to beat, and I need some serious power with good street spool up times.

 

[ChicagoGSX]

Originally posted by mccurdy
What RPM approx does the green spool up at? I got a Super 19C junior frank turbo, right under a 20G, but mines ported and clipped 15 degree's for high top end power. Mine spools up around like 4k , 4.5k RPM , thats minus a larger downpipe and cat, nor do i have a ported o2 sensor housing...

Im thinkin of switching to a FP Green or T3/T4 50trim myself, how streetable is it? Would it spool up faster than my 19C? Cause I got a turbo'd trans am to beat, and I need some serious power with good street spool up times.

I'm not much of an expert on 19c's, but I know that 4k means it is either a poor turbo, or you have another problem. 20gs easily spool under 4k, and 16gs are usually around 3300. I would think any later than 3700 for full boost is unacceptable on a turbo as small as a 19c.

 

[Sotarts]

Originally posted by ChicagoGSX


Close enough

My point is that JDMAWD has been around and his mod list shows he is knowledgeable, and his original post is true. It has been covered a million times and if you're going to post a question like that you have to be prepared for the sarcastic comments.

His mod list says HKS VPC AND S-AFC.
Can someone explain that one to me?
You see, I've not been around and do not possess the level of knowledge.

 

[myblack98gst]

16g @ 3,300 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what i sure hope not..

my big 16g will hit 18psi @ 2,500 maybe earlier depending on everything..



the only thing a huge mod list means to me is a car on jackstands quite often... ESPECIALLY A AWD!!

my friend has a killer 98 GSX built as hell 90 6 bolt TRE built tranny quaife diffs. runs low 7's at over 100 mph in the 1/8th.. . okay he is replacing clutches atleast twice a year.. it spends more time on the jack stands than off... he ripped up the fully built TRE tranny. blew a piston out the side of the stock block.. I make enough money that these kinds of mods would be easy for me to do but why?? No I am not bragging or hating on anybody. but damn with minimal mods you can be one of the fastest on the road.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by mccurdy
What RPM approx does the green spool up at? I got a Super 19C junior frank turbo, right under a 20G, but mines ported and clipped 15 degree's for high top end power. Mine spools up around like 4k , 4.5k RPM , thats minus a larger downpipe and cat, nor do i have a ported o2 sensor housing...

Im thinkin of switching to a FP Green or T3/T4 50trim myself, how streetable is it? Would it spool up faster than my 19C? Cause I got a turbo'd trans am to beat, and I need some serious power with good street spool up times.

*Most* clipped 7cm green cars that i have come across reach their target boost level just before 4k depending on tuning.

the only thing a huge mod list means to me is a car on jackstands quite often... ESPECIALLY A AWD!!

:laugh:

 

[mccurdy]

Ya well shit somethings wrong with my turbo then. I mean it IS clipped and ported heavily, but ya it dont start boosting till about 4k rpm's...I need a downpipe, ported o2 housing, and a race pipe or high flow cat to relieve my backpressure.....im on stock injectors right now too still...any ideas on how to reduce this horrible turbo lag?

I mean i went to the races tonite up in tracy, and everyone beat me off the line...even civics, but once i hit my 7 psi (any higher and i fuel cut) I would take them in 2nd and 3rd gear like cake...except WRX's....but i got GT's...turbo'd civics, even a 3000GT VR4 at only 7 psi! It feels like the turbo pulls, but for something smaller than a 20G spooling later than a 20G leaves me worried....any help guys?

 

[ChicagoGSX]

Originally posted by mccurdy
Ya well shit somethings wrong with my turbo then. I mean it IS clipped and ported heavily, but ya it dont start boosting till about 4k rpm's...I need a downpipe, ported o2 housing, and a race pipe or high flow cat to relieve my backpressure.....im on stock injectors right now too still...any ideas on how to reduce this horrible turbo lag?

I mean i went to the races tonite up in tracy, and everyone beat me off the line...even civics, but once i hit my 7 psi (any higher and i fuel cut) I would take them in 2nd and 3rd gear like cake...except WRX's....but i got GT's...turbo'd civics, even a 3000GT VR4 at only 7 psi! It feels like the turbo pulls, but for something smaller than a 20G spooling later than a 20G leaves me worried....any help guys?

I'm betting on a big boost leak which is causing your turbo to spool slowly. Could also possibly be why you're hitting fuel cut at 7 PSI because the turbo is actually flowing 15+ PSI through the MAF which is causing it to cut fuel, even though you're only getting 7 PSI at the intake manifold. You should be able to run at least 14 PSI w/o fuel cut I think.

 

[ChicagoGSX]

Originally posted by aovsi


His mod list says HKS VPC AND S-AFC.
Can someone explain that one to me?
You see, I've not been around and do not possess the level of knowledge.

VPC only makes global adjustments meaning it can only change the high and low setting for all RPMs. The S-AFC give you the ability to fine tune and get maximum horsepower. I don't know anyone who has a VPC w/o some other form of fuel controller.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by ChicagoGSX


VPC only makes global adjustments meaning it can only change the high and low setting for all RPMs. The S-AFC give you the ability to fine tune and get maximum horsepower. I don't know anyone who has a VPC w/o some other form of fuel controller.

 

[Sotarts]

Originally posted by ChicagoGSX


VPC only makes global adjustments meaning it can only change the high and low setting for all RPMs. The S-AFC give you the ability to fine tune and get maximum horsepower. I don't know anyone who has a VPC w/o some other form of fuel controller.

This is my point.
I didn't know the specifics, I asked and I received a very thorough answer.
Jdmawd would have been all over their ass with zero help.
It does not hurt to provide someone with a simple answer, if you can't handle it, don't f*cking cllick the link and even bother doing a full post, and subscribing to the thread!

 

[ChicagoGSX]

Originally posted by aovsi


This is my point.
I didn't know the specifics, I asked and I received a very thorough answer.
Jdmawd would have been all over their ass with zero help.
It does not hurt to provide someone with a simple answer, if you can't handle it, don't f*cking cllick the link and even bother doing a full post, and subscribing to the thread!

Thats cause I'm the best

No more posts on this thread for me

 

[PSIcho]

mccurdy did you say that you don't have a downpipe and ported 02? I think that's a big part of why your lagging too much. You're letting lots of air in but not allowing it to flow freely out. Get an O2 eliminator like RnRs downpipe so you kill to birds with one stone.

 

[mccurdy]

ya im getting one as soon as I get my S-AFC II installed. Ima get a downpipe and a race pipe of some sort. As for the 02 Housing, what exactly IS that and would it be a pain in the ass to remove it to port?

and how would i check for a boost leak on my wastegate? cause im thinking you're right and it is that from other small things ive noticed.

 

[myblack98gst]

it would not be a leak on the wastegate... it is going to be a leak after the turbo on the intake piping..


what Chicago said makes perfect sense.. the reason you are hitting fuel cut @ only 7psi is because thats all the intake is getting.... the MAF is what determines when to hit fuel cut..

so you have a pretty large air leak somewhere after the turbo but before the intake.. i would check all the hoses out make sure all vaccum ports are accounted for, and everything else. basically you have such huge turbo lag because all the intial air is being sent out through the leak.. but when you hit 4k the turbo is spoolin fast enough that it will overcome the leak and get you to 7psi.. but your problem is that you are sucking in so much air the MAF is seeing something wrong and throwing a fuel cut. I do not hit fuel cut before 17-18 psi..

 

[ChicagoGSX]

You'll have to build a pressure tester or buy one from www.machv.com. The instructions to build one are on www.vfaq.com under intake.

 

[mccurdy]

Awsome, thanks for the links. It makes sense too, but couldn't it be the wastegate leaking too? I mean it could very well be anything from the wastegate to the intake manifold couldn't it? As for the Pressure testers, I'll prolly just buy one cause i dont have the time or tools to make one, and as for the inlet air to push the tester to find a leak, what would u suggest? Would a compressor work?

 

[mccurdy]

also wouldn't my car be surging during idle if i had a leak of that magnitude? my car doesn't surge at all right now, which lead me to believe its the WG.

 

[mccurdy]

I talked to my mechanic today and he said if i had a leak in the intercooler piping or whatever after the turbo my car would surge at idle so i dont think its a leak in that, i think its just the wastegate popping open and not letting me boost until i hit 4k rpm when it overtakes that open WG. That would explain why when i rev it to like 3k rpm and let it sit there for a second, the psi boost gauge hits like -10 and drops to like -25 real fast like the WG is lettin it out. usually it would hold the boost yet there is no surge either in my idle. So by that im pretty sure its either my WG is broken on my 19C or my EBC is FUKKING UP and making it stay open. Yet when i turn off my Profec B EBC , the turbo still spools up just as slow and stops at 5 psi....What the hell is going on with my damn car...UGH

 

[Slow99x]

One of my friends just made a 10.90 pass on a FP Green and 110 octane gas. The bottom end is stock too. As far as spool up time, I don't know for sure but my small 16g make 23psi at 3700 rpms and hold till redline.

 

[rick]

i am hoping to run a fpgreen with an internal wastegate, burschur stage 3 block, burschur stage 2 head, web race cams, 660cc injectors, apex s-afc, upgraded fuel pu,mp and hardwire too, and a fully built tranny and transfer case. and a dejon tool front mount intercooler, gm translator and an slp mas. maybe not the slp mas, but definately everythin else.

 

[irn__man]

Originally posted by rick
i am hoping to run a fpgreen with an internal wastegate, burschur stage 3 block, burschur stage 2 head, web race cams, 660cc injectors, apex s-afc, upgraded fuel pu,mp and hardwire too, and a fully built tranny and transfer case. and a dejon tool front mount intercooler, gm translator and an slp mas. maybe not the slp mas, but definately everythin else.

Totally Streetable full boost on my setup by 36-3700rpm. As far as the Internal Gate, take a look at this thread and make your own choice. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73332 . I think if I was just purchasing a Green I would go with the an External Wastegate (the New Tial 38mm), this would help alleviate the high boost issues. And if you would ever want to upgrade in the future you would already be setup.

later
iron

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by irn__man


I think if I was just purchasing a Green I would go with the an External Wastegate (the New Tial 38mm),
later
iron

That's a lot of coin to spend on a 50 hybrid considering the other available options.

Standard Green Model Ported 7cm2 turbine housing, wet or dry bearing housing, configured for external wastgate to your specifications $1299

+

TiAL 38mm External Wastegate
Price - $245 w/steel flanges

now you have to mount it

 

[irn__man]

Originally posted by jdmawd


Standard Green Model Ported 7cm2 turbine housing, wet or dry bearing housing, configured for external wastgate to your specifications $1299
+
TiAL 38mm External Wastegate
Price - $245 w/steel flanges
now you have to mount it

Agreed, but If you are wanting to boost 24 psi and up then I would go External. It seems that the majority of the internal gate green owners are having issues running higher boost, if they can even run it at all.

Pay now or Pay later, it's his choice

iron

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by irn__man


Agreed, but If you are wanting to boost 24 psi and up then I would go External. It seems that the majority of the internal gate green owners are having issues running higher boost, if they can even run it at all.

Pay now or Pay later, it's his choice

iron

That's true but part of that may have to do with the size flapper that FP uses. I have run 25 psi on my internally gated PTE with no control issues. I do plan to run more boost in the future after I reach my goals on pump. if I find that boost control becomes an issue past 25 psi. ill switch and agree with you.

Keep in mind most of my turbo choices in the past have been bad. This may prove to be one of them aslo, time will tell