350whp Daily Driver

[SlipGear]

Well if i do decide to go the 50 trim route, what are some recommended 50 trim turbos? What kind of wastegate should i go with? Also i was going to install a GMAF. Will the GMAF and SAFC2 be sufficient for tuning? Remember this is going to be a daily driver and a fwd.

 

[staticbrainwash]

Personally i'd go with the gm maft gen2. More power than an safc, with all the fun of a maft. And you don't have to buy two things.

You should be ok to run up to 650's with a piggyback tuner unless you get a chip burned. Whether or not 650's will support a 50trim to 350hp? Not sure. You'll need more feedback from other people on that one. But i do know 650's are max on piggyback without some kind of other compensation.

 

[denniegst]

daily driver, then why not just go internal gated? if the gmaf and safc is your choice of tunning device, you should look into the maft gen2, its a afc and a gm translator in one.

 

[Slippi84]

Well if i do decide to go the 50 trim route, what are some recommended 50 trim turbos? What kind of wastegate should i go with? Also i was going to install a GMAF. Will the GMAF and SAFC2 be sufficient for tuning? Remember this is going to be a daily driver and a fwd.

PTE, FP, AGP there are a bunch of 50 trims out there the best in my opinion being the fp green but it pricey but a beast of a turbo. PTE seems to be known to be less reliable, I owned one for a short time it blew but I will not use that single experience to down talk a turbo. I think a internal would be fine but if you have the money a 38mm external is as much as you will need. GM maf and safc are great for tuning just keep injector size 750cc's or less or you won't be able to properly controll timing advcance from the pggy back effect.

 

[RockSolidGST]

Do everything , RIGHT and its very possible to hit 350whp on a Evo3 IMO

I just hit 298whp on a evo3 , Stock intake Snorkle , Completly Stock cams. at 20psi
Taking the head off Doing a mild port job , Cams , Larger TB ,Some headstuds , a real intake and pumping up the boost a little , Im sure il hit 350whp if not more

 

[Slippi84]

Do everything , RIGHT and its very possible to hit 350whp on a Evo3 IMO

I just hit 298whp on a evo3 , Stock intake Snorkle , Completly Stock cams. at 20psi
Taking the head off Doing a mild port job , Cams , Larger TB ,Some headstuds , a real intake and pumping up the boost a little , Im sure il hit 350whp if not more

Why spend all that money on that stuff and MAYBE get where you want to be when you can invest in a better turbo and have plenty of room to meat your goal? By the way porting the head on a car with a 16g isn't going to do much for ya. neither will a larger tb with a stock mani and a 16g isn't going to stretch your stock head studs at 350hp either

 

[JOEY A]

I like the EVOIII because it looks stock, and we do some money racing around here so its easy to setup stuff with bigger turbo cars, and people who think that my car has a stock turbo.

 

[Street Surgeon]

I wont turn this into a bashing thread but i wouldn't recomend the SBR G50. I would recomend a 50 trim. But not from them.

True. I'd say look at an SCM5031E from precision or something along those lines.

 

[JayRolla]

I just hit 298whp on a evo3 , Stock intake Snorkle , Completly Stock cams. at 20psi
Taking the head off Doing a mild port job , Cams , Larger TB ,Some headstuds , a real intake and pumping up the boost a little , Im sure il hit 350whp if not more

Believe me you are going to have fun trying to hit your mark without race gas or injection. Once you hit 300whp on pump its a battle to get anymore. the cams will help a little and the port wont do to much.

 

[DSMunknown]

I like the EVOIII because it looks stock, and we do some money racing around here so its easy to setup stuff with bigger turbo cars, and people who think that my car has a stock turbo.

Perhaps for the 1Gs, but not for the 2Gs (remember that the original poster is part of the 2G family). Anyone who knows anything about DSMs knows when the turbocharger has been upgraded from the T-25 (unless, of course, you include the T-28).

Believe me you are going to have fun trying to hit your mark without race gas or injection. Once you hit 300whp on pump its a battle to get anymore. the cams will help a little and the port wont do to much.

Actually, upgrading the camshafts will make a significant difference in top-end power.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244111post#16

 

[Slippi84]

This thread should be your proof that the 50 trim is the way to go. All these people are posting saying i made 290 something or 3 something but I haven't seen one person say tey made what your goal is and I bet they weren't like yeah i'm gonna keep it under 350 don't want to break anything. Go look at a thread where most people are talkin about their 50 trim numbers I bet 3/4 the people are at or over 350.

 

[JayRolla]

Actually, upgrading the camshafts will make a significant difference in top-end power.

It does I know that, but on a small turbo it wont give you what you expect.

This thread should be your proof that the 50 trim is the way to go. All these people are posting saying i made 290 something or 3 something but I haven't seen one person say tey made what your goal is and I bet they weren't like yeah i'm gonna keep it under 350 don't want to break anything. Go look at a thread where most people are talkin about their 50 trim numbers I bet 3/4 the people are at or over 350.

This is 100% correct. Most people with the evo16g are 250-320whp on pump. And the 50trim guys are 300-450whp, so that tells you something.

 

[JOEY A]

Cams are well worth the money in my book

 

[hereitcomes]

There is another thread on here that says that the EVO III 16g is a 9 sec. turbo. I didnt really want to reply to the debates.

 

[Slippi84]

Cams are well worth the money in my book

Cams are well worth the money when they fit the application. In a case where someone has a turbo like the 16g and not reving past stock revlimiter on stock intake mani believe it or not you can increase ET's(become slower in the long run) cams shift your powerband and increase VE in the higher rpms but if you shift the band out of your turbos main operating range then your actually narrowing your power band which is exactly the opposite of what u want to do.

 

[Slow99x]

There is another thread that has gone into the same arguement as this one.

 

[Slippi84]

There is another thread on here that says that the EVO III 16g is a 9 sec. turbo. I didnt really want to reply to the debates.

There is a thread with a t25 running 11's too what's your point??

 

[90blacktsiawd]

With a big shot of nos. It's fwd too.

 

[Slow99x]

Can we get over the e16g please? This technology is over 12 years old. Move on.

 

[Slippi84]

Can we get over the e16g please? This technology is over 12 years old. Move on.

WOw why don't you just open up the flood gates for the 20g guys now.

 

[2gGSX]

How old do you think the "50 trim" wheel is?

 

[JayRolla]

Who cares if the turbo is old. It still works for what it is. A lot of people dont like 50 trims and say they are old techology. I dont care the FP green is old but it still works great.