Forget turbo! Thread for nitrous ideas. :)

[unlinkedeclipse]

I'm going to be running my systems through an upgraded engine. (Pistons, cams, rings, blah blah.) I'm running two independent systems.

One will run as a basic push-and-dump nitrous system. Basic bolt-on and install crap. Nice to have when a chump rolls up next to you, yeah?

My other one. It's going to be regulated by a NX Maximizer, to work partially as a turbo would. Spooling small amounts into the engine at times, ending the spooling with a large spray. It's all programmable too, so it should turn out pretty amazing.

Anyone else have any interesting setups?

 

[DSMcrazy3]

A good nitrous setup is never complete with a nice big ALL MOTOR sticker on the back glass. Good luck, hope it works for you.

This was said awhile ago, but just to clear it up... Adding nitrous would no longer classify the car as "all motor". Nitrous is a version of forced induction since you're well, forcing it into the motor. The car is no longer naturally aspirated, and is not all motor. It will be a forced induction car.

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

As Dr155 said, I pretty much am using this as a stepping stone towards turboing it. Right now, it is more cost effective and a lot less taxing on me to spray it, and get more info on turbo'sand more time to gather the parts I need. Nitrous kit, brand new-$700. Turbo kit, brand new-$2600 hahah. But yeah it's just a bolt on for more power. Eventually, I will be using the three big power gaining systems out right now (turbo, spray, and cryo2((I have my own little plans for that stuff hehe.))) But for now I don'[t know much about turbos and what the motor can handle yet, so as I learn and buy everything I will get my horse gains and not destroying my car by rushing into a turbo that I know virtually nothing about.

As for a spare motor, I have one sitting in Washington hahaha. This is my numero dos 90 Eclipse. It's that motor I will be taking in and telling the guys, "I want this thing to repel bombs." hahah. Thanks for all the input and I will definitely keep you guys up to date.

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Any clue why this thing got moved here? Idk what 420A means. I'm still pretty challenged at all this suff.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Is this forreal?

Your car is 16 years old dude. You put nitrous on it, and you probably WILL blow that motor within a few months to say the least. You could atleast do a compression and/or leak down test before the install..

The cry02 will give you no real gains, just an insurance spray to cool the car under high power or extreme heat. It WILL NOT jolt you forward like nitrous. You will not feel anything from this. Please remember that.

 

[Locke]

i have know idea why this thread is in the 420a forum. 420a is the engine in the 2gnt's. You have the 4g63 nt.. i dunno.. Either way.....

Nitrous can be incredibly powerful on its own.. Look in to IHRA N2O cars. 100shot of nitrous is candy on a half built motor. My buddy has a Cavalier with some pushrod engine in it (2.0 i think). His direct port 150 wet shot comes on full at WOT while armed. No computers, no "stages", none of that crap. His engine handles it fine. He does polish the cc routinely though, every 12 mo's or so.... Aside from the nitrous, raspy muffler and cai, its about stock.

Its way faster than mine. For now.....

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

I know cryo2 isnt gonna push anything. It is just acting as a failsafe to keep everything cooled off more. and in cooling the fuel and air it will probably help make sure there is a proper mixture of it all during spray.

 

[Blitzeclips]

I know cryo2 isnt gonna push anything. It is just acting as a failsafe to keep everything cooled off more. and in cooling the fuel and air it will probably help make sure there is a proper mixture of it all during spray.

Proper mixture? Do you know what you're saying? The air and feul will not be mixed with cryo2 at all. What do you meen "proper mixture of it all during spray"?

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Like, it will improve the flow of air and fuel by cooling off the intake and fuel lines, so it was just sorta logic that it would be easier to get the right mixture of air and fuel at high rpms when its being cooled off and not having such a hard time flowing. Maybe it's just me though.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Like, it will improve the flow of air and fuel by cooling off the intake and fuel lines, so it was just sorta logic that it would be easier to get the right mixture of air and fuel at high rpms when its being cooled off and not having such a hard time flowing. Maybe it's just me though.

That made no sense. You REALLY need to do research on this stuff before you spend the money and time to install it. I don't understand what you just posted. These things will not increase your flow of feul nor intake, they will cool them. I am making my own cryo2 system for less than $20 with an extra feed line (SS) and a small bottle of co2 used for paintballing. Find a hollow tube of metal with 1/2 O.D (outer diameter) and tap into this. Screw in a fitting to match the -4an SS line and you have a pressurized co2 system. Basically, something to spray cold area in whichever area you prefer ( for me, It will be intercooler)... Now, to control this, you will need a nitrous solonoid, or else the only way to charge the system would require manual adjustment under the hood. With a soloniod, it can be released in the cockpit. Of course there are more fine details to this creation, but PM me if you need all the specifics..

All the feul bar and cryo2 does is cool the air and feul before use or combustion. It has been proven the temperature of feul does not increase HP or torque. I'm not trying to bash you here, man, but it just doesn't seem like you are as educated as you could be about these things, products, and the results.

Again, good luck...

 

[dr1665]

feul

Dude. You were so close! (Fuel)

They've got you dead to rights, new guy. Your enthusiasm is excellent. We support you all the way, but you've got to temper your excitement with some level-headed thought or you will end up a broke ass with a broke ass car who gets no play from the ladies.

Forget the cryo stuff completely. Seriously. You will have no need of it for a long time, if ever.

The first thing you need to do is find out just how much nitrous you can squeeze on a stock motor like yours. You need to find out what shape your motor is in before you spray that amount, and you need to research just what is included in a basic nitrous kit.

No doubt this will really excite you, but did you know that you could probably build your own nitrous system for under $300? Really. You could. Once you know what you need to make the kit, you can find the parts from various sources, new and used.

Read up on how to do a compression test on your engine. It's one of the most important tests you will perform prior to modifying your engine. It's simple to do and can tell you a lot.

The more you know about what you're doing, the less you will spend and the faster you will go in the process!

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

I was planning on all that stuff in the first place, the tests and whatnot. And I just figure the cryo2 stuff will allow the air to flow more freely since cold air is more compact.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Dude. You were so close! (Fuel)



Read up on how to do a compression test on your engine. It's one of the most important tests you will perform prior to modifying your engine. It's simple to do and can tell you a lot.

The more you know about what you're doing, the less you will spend and the faster you will go in the process!

Exactly. I was planning to boost my stock motor, but before I spent $2K+ on a kit, I had a compression test performed, and luckily, learned my engine was shot all to hell before I dished out the money to turbocharge it.

This could be the same scenario with you, but you will not know until the compression test is done. Otherwise, you might end up spending your $600 slappin' on a nitrous kit, then blowing your 16 year old motor on the 1st use.. Then, you're almost $2000 down the hole because you wanted instant power without research on it;s harmful effects. Research my friend, I say RESEARCH !

Driggs- I know. For that split second I couldn't figure out if the E or U came first. So, I decideded to confuse you all and spell it wrong...

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

As I said I was already gonna do the tests. .

 

[20psi_GST]

This was said awhile ago, but just to clear it up... Adding nitrous would no longer classify the car as "all motor". Nitrous is a version of forced induction since you're well, forcing it into the motor. The car is no longer naturally aspirated, and is not all motor. It will be a forced induction car.

OK first off i know this. Its just a joke, like puttin an RS sticker on the back of your GSX

 

[DSMcrazy3]

OK first off i know this. Its just a joke, like puttin an RS sticker on the back of your GSX

Joking or not, an ignorant reader would have recieved mis-information from that post. Maybe use the smilies to show the humor? I just wanted to clear things up.

Although it would be nice to see an all-motor DSM doing great things...Driggs, I'm counting on you...

 

[JOEY A]

If you want to learn about nitrous go to some of the V8 guys for help....


Go over to LS1tech.com and SR20forum.com. SR20 guys are spraying 150-200shots on there cars. So who ever tells you dont spray never really has used it.


You want to build the bottum end, a set of turbo cams will work good with nitrous. A blower/turbo cam shares the same thigns in comon with a nitrous cam. Maybe a set or 264s you could make power on those off nitrous but I dont know,I mean thats a really really simple break down of it, you could even get a SMIM and alot of head work and spray alot.


Also hondatech.com search nitrous etc and there is a massive thread on built nitrous hondas, its like 80 pages.

 

[JOEY A]

Like, it will improve the flow of air and fuel by cooling off the intake and fuel lines, so it was just sorta logic that it would be easier to get the right mixture of air and fuel at high rpms when its being cooled off and not having such a hard time flowing. Maybe it's just me though.

Wow man really who ever told you this is really wrong and dont take advice from them
I dont know how much you want to build, or what your goals are but you really need to find out more info in general.

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

So the cooling system in general just plain isn't worth my time?

And Sr20, thats Integra's mostly right?

 

[Blitzeclips]

So the cooling system in general just plain isn't worth my time?

And Sr20, thats Integra's mostly right?

No its not. You don't have enough mods to benefit from it as much as you may think. And that screwed up concept of the "proper mixture" sure won't help you either... RESEARCH!!!

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

K, well. As far as I'm concerned all that's doing is saving me money then .

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Sorry I was being really heavy headed guys, thank for the help though. It helped a lot.

 

[funkbuster]

Is this forreal?

Your car is 16 years old dude. You put nitrous on it, and you probably WILL blow that motor within a few months to say the least. You could atleast do a compression and/or leak down test before the install..

The cry02 will give you no real gains, just an insurance spray to cool the car under high power or extreme heat. It WILL NOT jolt you forward like nitrous. You will not feel anything from this. Please remember that.

My rx7 is 20 years old, and them rotary engines take the years hard and it held a 50hp shot. I did check my compression before running it and it was perfect on all 3 sides of both rotors. Sure, if you have low compression numbers, I wouldnt run it. And when I said 3 10lb bottles, I mean my 1, 10lb bottles filled 3 times, just to help show how often I do spray it on my 20 year old engine.