For the doubters on here.....

[Mr PopUps]

1G, small 16G, stock injectors/afc, modded 1G MAF, and stock sidemount = 11.93

http://www.dsm.org/archives/t/2000/02/20000207.txt Post #51 by Al Blaha:

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:19:11 -0500
From: Al Blaha <[email protected]>
Subject: New 1/4 mile times with the 1G MAS!!
Message-ID: <#51>

Hey guys!

Tom Hoppe and I made a track trip to Rockingham Sunday. It's kinda weird
racing in the winter-I had to wash the salt off my car from driving it in
the snow, and there was still a little snow on the ground! It was a nice
day, 50-55 degrees. This was the track opener (the last 2 Sundays got
snowed out)! It was very green, but the Pro cars got it seasoned in a
hurry.

Tom starts off with a [email protected] with a bogging 1.87 60'. A good first
run. Tom says "eleven's today", and I said I dunno, you still got a ways to
go, you still need at least 114 mph or so. He makes his second pass-launch
looks good, super-quick shift to 2nd (like always), I figured maybe 12.10
or so. How about [email protected]! This is outrageous! Tom has a
small 16G, 2 1/2" exhaust, my modded MAS, AFC, stock injectors, STOCK
sidemount & lower IC pipe! He then backed it up with an [email protected]!
Congrats to Tom for getting 11's on a 16G and the ONLY one with a totally
stock sidemount! Great driving Tom!

The only change over the winter to my car was a tubular O2 housing. I ran
my car in December at Kinston, NC. The track hooks good, but is a little
slow because the pavement is wavy! I managed a couple 11.30's and a
[email protected], my 3rd 11.26!

My first pass at Rockingham, the car spun madly & I backed off a little &
managed a [email protected] & was surprised that I had a 1.62 60'. Second pass
the track was hooking better & I bogged off the line and got a
[email protected]. Third pass I made some changes (in the wrong direction) and
wasted a 1.60 60' with a [email protected]. Fourth pass felt good, so I decided
to wind 3rd all the way to 7900 (instead of 7500). Big mistake! This made
the clutch slip a little in 4th, and somehow my A/F ratio was .74-.72 (not
good!) This netted a [email protected] top end went away because it was too
lean. It was getting colder and I needed to richen it up a little. I was
really pissed because I had a best ever 7.15 1/8 mile! Fifth pass, I
richened things up 4% and this helped the power, but I ended up with a
[email protected]. The 60' was only 1.71 (the track was going away), but I
thought it felt quicker. I came around again and talked the official into
letting me make one more run! I richened thing up 2% more and cranked the
boost up a fraction. I launched, shifted the bejeezus out of the car, and
was pleasantly surprised with a [email protected]! Finally an
eleven-teen, in a big way! Very satisfying after 15 or 20 11.20's &
30's! This was with only a 1.67 60'! I'm not even going to begin to
think what the car could have run with my best ever 1.57 60'! I
will just go home happy and drink a beer or six!

For the record, my car still has: A standard 20G, full 3" exhaust, modified
1G MAS, etc, etc, and a race weight of 3000 lbs. I am still running the
standard Centerforce DF believe it or not! In the past it has slipped a
little, but if I slip it quick off the line & don't wind 3rd gear to 7900,
it does great! It didn't smell at all this time, l must have done
something right! Time for some dyno tuning!

Later Guys!
Al Blaha

 

[chico904]

Umm... am I missing something here?

 

[ilco187]

WTH is that link ugh, i dont know what it is but makes me feel like chris hansen is showing some transcripts.

 

[Mr PopUps]

Oooooh ok, you DONT know about the Talon Digest or Club DSM?? Where it ALL got started? Im sorry for your loss.

The point im trying to make is there are cars running more than 15psi on the stock turbo, bottom end and other stock pieces. Seems the upgrade path went from 'test pipe, mbc, K&N and FP reqire' to 'link, MAFT, chips, salsa and some guacamole please'.

Call me 'old school', but thats what a true DSM is about...

 

[chico904]

No, my point is that you have a thread titled "For the doubters on here..... " And then copy&paste an article. What are we supposedly doubting?

 

[snowborder714]

Um, there are PLENTY of people running that much boost on a stock engine. There are people in the 10's on a stock engine.

What's your point?

 

[asrdave]

this is in reference to his 1g mas mod right? he had the best modded 1g mas that i believe he made himself

 

[chico904]

The point im trying to make is there are cars running more than 15psi on the stock turbo, .

Since when is a 16g (that you refer to in that article) considered a stock turbo?

 

[bigf4]

Good job Mr.popups! clap clap clap!

 

[Mr PopUps]

Since when is a 16g (that you refer to in that article) considered a stock turbo?

No, not what i meant. Im referring to the whole 'upgrade to a 255, 650's, DSM Link blah blah blah' without doing things in a much simpler manner. The doubters are the ones who think you cant do anything without spending a lot of money.

These posts will help explain:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...lon-turbo-intercooler-help.html#post151920655

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...lon-turbo-intercooler-help.html#post151920950

 

[snowborder714]

You don't happen to have a log from any of those runs, do you? I'd be curious to see how the car was performing.

 

[chico904]

Well maybe you should post this in the hangout section, for someone who wants to read the article you posted. Making a thread that could possibly start an argument is not a good idea.

 

[my dreamt dsm]

I understand now!

 

[Mr PopUps]

You don't happen to have a log from any of those runs, do you? I'd be curious to see how the car was performing.

No, any TMO logs i had were on my OLD laptop (P133/128M ram 1.2G HD) and way gone. But i ran it like that all the time, Frank 1, 450's, 18psi on the street. The 90's are tuned differently and can run a lower AFR than the 91 ups. .80-.83 on the voltmeter was plenty rich.

Im not trying to cause any trouble here, i just dont find it very nice at all when someone comes from the past, when it all started and tried to reenter a place that has many fond memories only to be labeled a 'know nothing liar'. So i felt the need to back some of my knowledge up with someone elses results.

 

[Jankenshank]

please can we have more old skool info mr know nothing liar.??


no im serious.

 

[99gst_racer]

Ask Dave Buschur why he only ran 550's in his 7sec car.

Prove it.

 

[chico904]

I always thought he ran 660's?

 

[crimsondragon]

Who are you again?

 

[knochgoon24]

I'm just curious, but I can't even get 17psi running a 16g with my stock 450cc injectors. I was running 11:1 AFR logging a 90% duty cycle. I hit fuel cut on the stock 2g Ecu, but with the Evo 8 Ecu, that's not a problem now. I'm just curious how lean you car was really getting up at the top end. You're talking about narrowband volt reading because this is before WBO2 setups were cheap enough for the common tuner.

That time is obviously a real time, and we can't knock that, but how do you criticize someone for recommending 650cc injectors to someone with a 16g? They are big enough to run that turbo to it's full 32-36lb/min potential. The MAFT isn't recommended to everyone. It's just recommended to those who want to vent the BOV for the sound and those who insist on switching to a blow-through setup to make routing a cold air intake easier.

Link is slowly getting a smaller chunk of the market, or so it seems to me. 98/99 ECU's are flashable and the 2g can swap in the Evo 8 Ecu which is flashable. 1g owners can either run link, or burn their own chips using a number of programs. Any time Link is recommended now, it's almost immediately challenged by another poster recommending one of these alternate tuning solutions. The SAFC is seeing less attention because the Evo Ecu swap, flashing the 98/99 ecu, and burning your own chips for the 1g are all cheaper than the SAFC.

This is 10 years later. Technology has changed...

 

[Lofty]

i just dont find it very nice at all when someone comes from the past, when it all started and tried to reenter a place that has many fond memories only to be labeled a 'know nothing liar'.

i just dont find it very nice at all when someone comes from the past, when it all started and tried to reenter a place that has many fond memories

i just dont find it very nice at all when someone comes from the past

I don't get it, you just signed up.

 

[knochgoon24]

I don't get it, you just signed up.

He's from the dsm.org / talon digest days. He's been in the game for years, but finally got on this site.

He may have a 10 second car, but he's a little slow.

 

[joshs1074]

Roflroflrofl

 

[Lofty]

Ah. My apologies Mr. OG man.
You were probably in the game before I was born......


Your post is confusing for dumb people though.

 

[JusMX141]

Maxing out the stock 450's isnt as easy as that. Ask Dave Buschur why he only ran 550's in his 7sec car.

I just heard Shep is going to run a stock 6-bolt and a 14B to break 7.49 in his 1G next season.


Something's just not right with your equation here. Sure a magnificent driver can do amazing things, but some of your claims are downright unbelievable unless you got your hands on some 200 octane fuel.

Sure more boost is going to make you fast, but you'll need more fuel in order to cool the combustion temperatures enough to prevent knock. If you're getting knock, the loss in timing is going to hurt more than added boost....for example, a car running 25psi and 8* of timing is going to be slower than a well-tuned car running 18psi and 23* of timing.

I just can't understand how you were running 450cc injectors well into the 11's unless you had eight of them.

Im not trying to cause any trouble here, i just dont find it very nice at all when someone comes from the past, when it all started and tried to reenter a place that has many fond memories only to be labeled a 'know nothing liar'. So i felt the need to back some of my knowledge up with someone elses results.

Seeing as how you joined this site 5 days ago and you're already sitting on over 100 posts and creating threads titled "For the doubters on here...", you're obviously here to prove something. I'm not accusing you of not knowing anything, however you don't have to throw your knowledge in our faces- you'll eventually become discovered on your own.

 

[crimsondragon]

I just heard Shep is going to run a stock 6-bolt and a 14B to break 7.49 in his 1G next season.


Something's just not right with your equation here. Sure a magnificent driver can do amazing things, but some of your claims are downright unbelievable unless you got your hands on some 200 octane fuel.

Sure more boost is going to make you fast, but you'll need more fuel in order to cool the combustion temperatures enough to prevent knock. If you're getting knock, the loss in timing is going to hurt more than added boost....for example, a car running 25psi and 8* of timing is going to be slower than a well-tuned car running 18psi and 23* of timing.

I just can't understand how you were running 450cc injectors well into the 11's unless you had eight of them.



Seeing as how you joined this site 5 days ago and you're already sitting on over 100 posts and creating threads titled "For the doubters on here...", you're obviously here to prove something. I'm not accusing you of not knowing anything, however you don't have to throw your knowledge in our faces- you'll eventually become discovered on your own.

Base fuel pressure was probably up in the low 100's.