First mods!

[95_talon_fwd]

Hey everyone. Just recently got my 1995 talon tsi FWD. I wanna mod it now. What are the 3 first mods I should do that'll give me the most power? I have ARP studs and pistons, a catback, and a Greddy type s BOV. What can I do with $1,500? I'm planning on getting a wideband first. Thanks for the help.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

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[clipto]

Hey everyone. Just recently got my 1995 talon tsi FWD. I wanna mod it now. What are the 3 first mods I should do that'll give me the most power? I have ARP studs and pistons, a catback, and a Greddy type s BOV. What can I do with $1,500? I'm planning on getting a wideband first. Thanks for the help.

Boost gauge wideband maintanance such as timing belt seals sparkplug wires.Once everything is top notch turbo swap, fuel pump, injectors, and tuning software (Ecm(dsm)link.That should start you off on the right path.

 

[95_talon_fwd]

the maintenance is good to go. is it recommended that I go full 3 inch exhaust, with a 3 inch o2 housing? Or should I wait till I get the new turbo to put in a new o2 housing? Is a cold air intake with a 2g maf necessary? thanks

 

[jpmxrider489]

As said above do the maintanance. But as far as spending 1500 on performance, you can get a built motor. Or a hx40 and a FMIC setup. But follow the link he sent you.

the maintenance is good to go. is it recommended that I go full 3 inch exhaust, with a 3 inch o2 housing? Or should I wait till I get the new turbo to put in a new o2 housing? Is a cold air intake with a 2g maf necessary? thanks

You can do a 3 inch if you want. If you really feel like doing the work twice then ok. But I would do it all at once. I also like to do step by step that way I know the car starts after every mod. Any idea of what turbo you want to go with?

 

[MichaelSuch]

What kind of power are you looking to put down? First mods I would consider are: Boost gauge, MBC, DSMLink, Injectors, and Fuel pump. You can gain some quick horsepower by a boost gauge and MBC by running 14-15psi of boost. After that you'll need bigger injectors and a way to control the bigger injectors, hence why I recommend DSMLink. But there's so much more you can do with DSMLink, many will agree it's one of the best mods you can do. Then after that I would recommend exhaust, intake, and a FMIC.

Edit: I wouldn't even think about a turbo upgrade until you've upgraded the fuel system for the additional airflow of a larger turbo, unless you are only moving up to a 14b/16g, but the gains there wouldn't be huge until you have upgraded the fuel system anyway.

 

[91stocker]

the maintenance is good to go. is it recommended that I go full 3 inch exhaust, with a 3 inch o2 housing? Or should I wait till I get the new turbo to put in a new o2 housing? Is a cold air intake with a 2g maf necessary? thanks

3" turbo back is a great early mod. So is an intake pipe. The ebay ones work just fine with the 2g maf. Neither will require a tune or anything like that. But the order i would go if it were do do it over again would be:

boost gauge $30-$90
manual boost controller (raise boost to 15psi) $30-$90
ebay intake pipe & filter $40-$50
3" turbo back exhaust $400+ depending on brand
wideband o2 sensor kit $200

Thats about the end of the simple bolt ons. Some basic tuning is required beyond that point. Then its either safc or skip that and go straight to dsmlink(which everyone will recommend)

Right now in the classifieds you should be able to find link v3 with an eprom ecu for 550. Depending on what brand parts you go with, that should all fit in your budget.

Then...after learning to tune and max that set up, its time for fuel mods.

 

[jpmxrider489]

What kind of power are you looking to put down? First mods I would consider are: Boost gauge, MBC, DSMLink, Injectors, and Fuel pump. You can gain some quick horsepower by a boost gauge and MBC by running 14-15psi of boost. After that you'll need bigger injectors and a way to control the bigger injectors, hence why I recommend DSMLink. But there's so much more you can do with DSMLink, many will agree it's one of the best mods you can do. Then after that I would recommend exhaust, intake, and a FMIC.

Edit: I wouldn't even think about a turbo upgrade until you've upgraded the fuel system for the additional airflow of a larger turbo, unless you are only moving up to a 14b/16g, but the gains there wouldn't be huge until you have upgraded the fuel system anyway.

Wow I completly overlooked that. I cant believe I would say get a turbo without reccomending fuel.

Depending on your power goals, I would get a wally 255 and a AFPR And to start maybe evo 550s. But if you go dsmlink, You should go bigger like 1000cc.

 

[mitch rich]

I would get wide and dsm link injectors and get rid of the t-2 small.

 

[dsmlover07]

Sounds good, link lite is also a cheap way to get started without going to full if you dont need to.

 

[95_talon_fwd]

What kind of power are you looking to put down? First mods I would consider are: Boost gauge, MBC, DSMLink, Injectors, and Fuel pump. You can gain some quick horsepower by a boost gauge and MBC by running 14-15psi of boost. After that you'll need bigger injectors and a way to control the bigger injectors, hence why I recommend DSMLink. But there's so much more you can do with DSMLink, many will agree it's one of the best mods you can do. Then after that I would recommend exhaust, intake, and a FMIC.

Edit: I wouldn't even think about a turbo upgrade until you've upgraded the fuel system for the additional airflow of a larger turbo, unless you are only moving up to a 14b/16g, but the gains there wouldn't be huge until you have upgraded the fuel system anyway.

I want to be at 350 to the wheels. That should be good for 12s right? Can I do this with a 16g, supporting fuel mods, and a tune?

 

[dsmlover07]

Well what 16g are you wanting to use,

get a fmic, more fuel, tuning devices, those might get you there, a wally 190 at least some 650s for fuel.

 

[91stocker]

I want to be at 350 to the wheels. That should be good for 12s right? Can I do this with a 16g, supporting fuel mods, and a tune?

Whoa whoa, small steps man. First of all, your not going to make 350whp with $1500. Second you need to run 14's before you shoot for 12's. Third your fwd and thats going to make your goal of 12's even more difficult.

Start small.

My recommendation in post #7 is a great path to know your car and really bring it alive. You can run 13's on the stock turbo, so id hold off on the turbo upgrade for now. Plus i doubt you could do it properly with your current budget. Another thing is, a larger turbo without proper supporting mods will most likely be slower.

Being fwd you also are going to need ALOT of seat time to even run what your car is capable of now. Upping the power is just going to make that situation worse.

 

[Pipnorcali]

^^^ hahaha baby steps

 

[Jkorny169]

1)dsmlink
2)WBo2
3)cheap 16g

 

[2slow4utsi]

As said above do the maintanance. But as far as spending 1500 on performance, you can get a built motor. Or a hx40 and a FMIC setup. But follow the link he sent you.



You can do a 3 inch if you want. If you really feel like doing the work twice then ok. But I would do it all at once. I also like to do step by step that way I know the car starts after every mod. Any idea of what turbo you want to go with?

He can get a built engine for $1500? Where are they at? I'd like one too. I'll buy one right now, I have cash in hand.

Whoa whoa, small steps man. First of all, your not going to make 350whp with $1500. Second you need to run 14's before you shoot for 12's. Third your fwd and thats going to make your goal of 12's even more difficult.

Start small.

My recommendation in post #7 is a great path to know your car and really bring it alive. You can run 13's on the stock turbo, so id hold off on the turbo upgrade for now. Plus i doubt you could do it properly with your current budget. Another thing is, a larger turbo without proper supporting mods will most likely be slower.

Being fwd you also are going to need ALOT of seat time to even run what your car is capable of now. Upping the power is just going to make that situation worse.

I know people that never ran 15's that went to the track and hit 11.30s.

 

[pos4g63]

If you are mechanically inclind you can build your own built engine for 1500.

 

[91stocker]

I know people that never ran 15's that went to the track and hit 11.30s.

Im sure that A. wasnt their first built car, or B. that wasnt their first dsm

No one goes out to the track and runs low 11's on their very first pass ever. Anyway whats your point?


And why are people mention engine builds? Has no even read the op's post or mod list?

1)dsmlink
2)WBo2
3)cheap 16g

Then theres no money left in the budget to install any of it....

Plus no money for supporting mods to use the "cheap 16g".

^^^ hahaha baby steps

Haha, i wasnt trying to be a dick when i said that. Just as soon as anyone mentions a turbo upgrade in threads like these, the op in each always jumps right on board. A turbo upgrade is a downright terrible first mod, especially for someone new to these cars.

Plus on a 2g, installing a tdo5 turbo requires an install kit and because of the way it fits you might as well pick up a fmic kit with it. Makes the transition so much easier.

Then theres the fwd thing. You have a gst so you know all about it. 350fwhp is going to create alot of headaches at the track for a someones first pass with the car.

 

[ChrisMgst]

Hallman MBC, and depending on what turbo you have because you didnt mention but if you have that t25 then you can find a used 16g setup for a fair price. If i were you then I would do some head work first, or maybe a new clutch and flywheel. Just know that once you feel some boost your going to want more. Get yourself a long-term goal with the car and start making short-term goals to get things rolling. I m in the same boat as you I just got a 97gst spyder. I ve spent 5k in parts and my 7bolt goes to the machine shop next week. btw you can always pull your setup if something happens to your shell

 

[2slow4utsi]

If you are mechanically inclind you can build your own built engine for 1500.

I guess it depends on what parts you use and how cheap you're able to get the machine work done for. I got my machine work done for $900 so building a built engine in my eyes isn't possible. A set of nice pistons alone pushed me to damn near $1500.

 

[95_talon_fwd]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I will definitely go with the intake, wideband, exhaust and mbc for now. that sounds like the way to go. my engine is already rebuilt and bored with upgraded pistons, rods and studs. so i think it's ready to go. I don't really plan on getting a bigger turbo just yet. Thanks again!

 

[Bud92gsx]

Maintenence!!!

 

[dsmlover07]

No sense of putting mods on a car when you dont know what will break next.

 

[Leonthefaded]

No sense of putting mods on a car when you dont know what will break next.

True, I would wait a few weeks or maybe even a month, before spending all your hard earn cash. Used cars just purchased dont have a track record of being "Perfect", focus on performing maintence that is pretty much unaccounted for. Belts, Pulleys, Fliuds, Inspection, Allignment, Gaskets and seals. Because you can go out and spend 1500 on mods, and then right after your headgasket could blow, or something else stupid.

Compression Test.