FIAV is being a pain in the A@*

[madman]

I'm trying to do a 2G to 1G TB swap.

I can't get eihter of the FIAV's to come off.

I've tried PB Blaster and heating them and the screws won't budge and they are getting close to stripping.

My 1G TB FIAV doesn't have a sensor/wiring harness. Is there any way to get just the sensor, then I should be able to use the 1G FIAV correct?

Anyone know of any tricks to get the screws loose?

Also..... the intake manifold.......anyone got a trick to get to the bottom bolts to get the manifold off??????

I'm about ready to torch my car........

 

[talon96tsi]

i had the same problem, locking pliers worked for the outside ones and i drilled the top of the screw out for the middle one. as long as you use smaller locking pliers the outside ones are easy. also be careful when you bolt it back up that you dont tear the threads out of the throttle body, I overtightened mine and thats what i came out with, i hope this helped though pm me if you have any questions.

also, seafoam works great to clean out those valves and make your car run nicer.

 

[madman]

You mean trying to use locking pliers to grip the head of the screw?

I'll give it a try.

 

[talon96tsi]

yes. just make sure you use a smaller pair of locking pliers, i have 2 different sizes, a big pair and a smaller pair, the big ones most definatly didnt fit.

 

[wishihadatalon]

impact driver might work pretty good too. That is what I am planning for mine.

 

[talon96tsi]

an impact driver? that would probably be the oppostie of what he wants if its almost stripped out. the best odea period would be to buy some drill bits for steel and drill them out and use easy out to back them out. its easy to strip them thats what i did, i would be careful using anything air oriendted for this.

 

[Turbocharged]

You dont need to swap the entire FIAV, just swap the ISC from your 2g to the 1g. You dont need a screw driver for that. Its just (2) 10mm bolts. Make sure to use the 2g TPS and remove the idle switch on the 1g TB (the 2g TPS has a built in idle switch).

 

[TimG]

I'm trying to do a 2G to 1G TB swap.

I can't get eihter of the FIAV's to come off.

I've tried PB Blaster and heating them and the screws won't budge and they are getting close to stripping.

My 1G TB FIAV doesn't have a sensor/wiring harness. Is there any way to get just the sensor, then I should be able to use the 1G FIAV correct?

Anyone know of any tricks to get the screws loose?

Also..... the intake manifold.......anyone got a trick to get to the bottom bolts to get the manifold off??????

I'm about ready to torch my car........

Are you talkin about those stupid philips head bolts?

If so, take a philips #2 socket with an extension on it and hammer the bit into the bolt head. Give it a 5-10 good hard whacks. Put the rachet on and push and turn. Presto. Comes out everytime.

 

[Briuah]

Are you talkin about those stupid philips head bolts?

If so, take a philips #2 socket with an extension on it and hammer the bit into the bolt head. Give it a 5-10 good hard whacks. Put the rachet on and push and turn. Presto. Comes out everytime.

That is what I do everytime and have never striped a screw on any of my Throttle body's.

 

[madman]

Are you talkin about those stupid philips head bolts?

If so, take a philips #2 socket with an extension on it and hammer the bit into the bolt head. Give it a 5-10 good hard whacks. Put the rachet on and push and turn. Presto. Comes out everytime.

I'll try this tomarrow.

I got 3 off of each one with the locking pliers so even if I had to drill out the other 4, I'll have 6 good screws to reuse.

 

[TimG]

It will work if the bolts aren't stripped to hell. Give them GOOD whacks. Don't be a woman with the hammer.

 

[flinguist]

I bought a bored out 2G from this guy- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60mm-Throttle-Body-2G-DSM-Eclipse-Talon_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33558QQitemZ8037577365QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Worked out pretty well.

 

[DSM90AWD]

an impact driver? that would probably be the oppostie of what he wants if its almost stripped out.

Pretty sure he means one of these:

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You hammer the top and it applies downward pressure and turns at the same time.
This is what I used on mine and worked great. Replace with hex-head bolts when putting back together

 

[madman]

I bought a bored out 2G from this guy- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60mm-Throttle-Body-2G-DSM-Eclipse-Talon_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33558QQitemZ8037577365QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Worked out pretty well.

Is that a 2G NT throttle body?

The FIAV looks like one from off of a 1G, or is that how 2G NT's come?

 

[wishihadatalon]

an impact driver? that would probably be the oppostie of what he wants if its almost stripped out. the best odea period would be to buy some drill bits for steel and drill them out and use easy out to back them out. its easy to strip them thats what i did, i would be careful using anything air oriendted for this.

A impact driver will work fine. ( I assume you know what it is) but if you don't you with it with a hammer and it drives down into the screw while it turns it. Alot better than the hammer a phillips bit in and press on it while you turn it with a wrench.

I striped out the bolts that hold my rotors on my honda really bad and I didn't think anything would get them out except for drilling out the heads of the screws but I gave them 1 good whack with the impact driver and the broke free.

 

[New2tuning]

Pretty sure he means one of these:

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You hammer the top and it applies downward pressure and turns at the same time.
This is what I used on mine and worked great. Replace with hex-head bolts when putting back together

Thats what I used, works like a champ. I would try to use one before drilling off the heads, if you slip up with the drill you could jack some stuff up.

 

[flinguist]

Is that a 2G NT throttle body?

The FIAV looks like one from off of a 1G, or is that how 2G NT's come?

I'm not sure if it's an NT. I thought it was 4g63T, but the FIAV is different than the original one. I'll ask the guy, and let you know.

 

[RamenPride]

drill the heads off the screws and use pliers to remove what's left

 

[madman]

I'm not sure if it's an NT. I thought it was 4g63T, but the FIAV is different than the original one. I'll ask the guy, and let you know.

Was it really 62.5mm?

Your FIAV is like the one I pulled off the 1G. The sensor (which is missing) only has two screws were as a 2G FIAV sensor has 3. Mine was missing too on my 1G TB, that's why I had to swap FIAV's. How did you get your's to hook up?


I asked if it was a NT because he said there was only 2 vacum lines...... a 2G T throttle body has 3 lines and 1G T has 4.

I got gipped on ebay because I bought a 90' 1G TB and the guy said it would work. I didn't do my research good enough till after I bought it. I told the guy that it wouldn't work for me and I wanted a refund.....he argued that it would work but was not able to give me any instructions on it.....I still have it sitting in my closet.....oh well.

Are you talkin about those stupid philips head bolts?

If so, take a philips #2 socket with an extension on it and hammer the bit into the bolt head. Give it a 5-10 good hard whacks. Put the rachet on and push and turn. Presto. Comes out everytime.

That worked perfect...... I sprayd the last screws with PB Blaster one more time and let it sit over night. Used your trick and they borke loose no problem......thanks.

Pretty sure he means one of these:



You hammer the top and it applies downward pressure and turns at the same time.
This is what I used on mine and worked great. Replace with hex-head bolts when putting back together

Well I couldn't get the picture coppied but I didn't have this setup......Just used a regular socket drive screw dirver with a no.2 phillips head.






Never had too drill out one single screw

 

[flinguist]

The EBAY TB that I have is a 2G turbo with a 1G FIAV, it has the correct 2G ICS motor on it. The one I purchased also had 3 vacuum connections. So apparently the one currently listed isn't exactly like the one I have. I'll be sending back my original TB as a core, so it will eventually will be for sale, after it's been refurbed, and bored out. You can email the guy if your interested, and have any questions @ [email protected].

 

[Turbocharged]

Again... the ISC motors and FIAV's are identical from the 1g to the 2g and DO NOT need to be swapped. Just swap the ISC motor (2 10mm bolts) from the 2g to the 1g. You choice of TPS depends on if you use the idle switch or not (not sure why you would...).

 

[flinguist]

Again... the ISC motors and FIAV's are identical from the 1g to the 2g and DO NOT need to be swapped. Just swap the ISC motor (2 10mm bolts) from the 2g to the 1g. You choice of TPS depends on if you use the idle switch or not (not sure why you would...).

The FIAV I have on the bored 2G TB I bought is not the same as my original 2G TB. If it's not a 1G, what is it?

 

[Turbocharged]

The FIAV I have on the bored 2G TB I bought is not the same as my original 2G TB. If it's not a 1G, what is it?

Are there only two vacuum ports? The TB in the ebay auction picture is definately not a 1g. A 1g has vacuum ports that face the passenger side of the car. It looks like a 2g but the 2 vacuum ports are throwing me off; there should be 3 vacuum ports if it is a 2g turbo.

 

[RamenPride]

The TB in the ebay auction picture is definately not a 1g. A 1g has vacuum ports that face the passenger side of the car. It looks like a 2g but the 2 vacuum ports are throwing me off; there should be 3 vacuum ports if it is a 2g turbo.

It's a 2G TB that's been bored out to 60mm. I think some 98 and 99 TB's only had 2 vacuum ports.