Evo=4 Dr Gsx?

[94SupraTT]

I just don't understand the hype. Its powered by a motor that Eclipses have had FOR YEARS. The 4G63. Also AWD with the 4G63 is NOTHING new. Anyone remember the Ecllipse GSX? So why didn't everyone freak out over the 1st GSX? Same motor, both are AWD. Why all the fuss?

 

[maximage]

Actually, no one has really hit the nose with this yet. the EVO was brought to the US to compete with the WRX. Mitsu figured since Subaru had such a good following with tis rally inspired WRX, the EVO would actually sell here. Personally, after driving both while looking for a new car, teh EVO has it, even thoguh the STi is faster stock. As far as it being greater than the T/E/L the new EVO is everything that they were and more. I remember looking at a 99 GSX, and it being in the $29k range. For the same price(the EVO is about $29,300 here) I can have the awd, teh redesigned 4g63 with MORE POWER, a better trans, more comfort, better handling, better braking, a stock FMIC, and lenty of room. As much as I lie the Laser, it isnt a practical every day car, especially for someone who is going to ahve a family. Our shop specializes in mitsu's, toyotas, and subarus, and I can honestly say the EVO has it flat out.

 

[igs]

Originally posted by 94SupraTT
Why all the fuss?

It's about 2 seconds faster that's why.

 

[igs]

Originally posted by maximage
I remember looking at a 99 GSX, and it being in the $29k range. For the same price(the EVO is about $29,300 here)

When did the Eclipse ever cost that much? A fully loaded and brand new Eclipse cost $27k, not 29.

 

[Boostit]

OK OK, here is why there is such a fuss...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34938
the above link is a dyno graph on the Evo forum displaying 518WHP on stock head and stock block.

read...

another reason... I have seen a evo beat a cobra 03, so do not underestimate the car.. it is not just another 4G63.. this is mitsubishi's flag ship and they will make it own all.

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by Boostit


another reason... I have seen a evo beat a cobra 03, so do not underestimate the car.. it is not just another 4G63.. this is mitsubishi's flag ship and they will make it own all.

so what you can modify a GS Eclipse non turbo to be super fast its all about $. yea the EVO will "Own" all but its

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by its prime competitor the STi!

 

[AlecW81]

^^^^ Ignorance must truly be bliss.

The Evo that has hit America's shores was designed to compete with the 223HP WRX that Suburu WAS selling at the time... and it SPANKED that WRX like a red-headed step-child. Subsequently Suburu brought a version of their STi WRX to take on the USDM Evo... so big surprise, a car that was released AFTER the first WRX was pimp-slapped, is faster than the Evo that was released before it. No I'll say this slowly and use small words so you're sure to understand: The Next Evo... That Comes to the US... WILL.. BE... FASTER... THAN THE CURRENT... STi... THIS IS CALLED... COMPETITION... I know that was a big word, so I'll break it down for you COMP-E-TI-TION. Can you say that? Understand the premise? This is why they have different trim levels of the Evo and WRX overseas... i.e. The Evo RS, GSR, etc. They'll probobly do the same over here in the next few years.

Now as for why the EVO is such a big deal... for $30k you can keep up with a Corvette Z06 in the quarter-mile, on the skidpad, around Laguna Seca etc. The Z06 is a 50K V8 powered RWD beast in it's own right... faster than cars that cost more than twice is much... yet it's almost matched or exceded by a 4cyl with almost 3 times less displacement, costing 20k less. This is quite an accomplishment by anyone's standards. True a Supra can make SICK HP, but lets see that Supra run 10s on street tires... or run 13s on a gravel track... hell I can't think of any other street car that could run with a 30k dollar Evo off-road (in stock form w/stock tires) The EVO is just an incredible all-around performer. It can handle any situation you throw at it, 1/4mile, circle track, auto-x, SCCA, Rally, ICE, etc... I'd put money on an Evo beating a STOCK GSX even if it launched in 2nd gear. That is why such a "Big Deal" is being made out of a "4 door GSX"

The only thing keeping me from buying an Evo upon my return to the states is insurance... I can't swing full coverage on any vehicle... let alone a brand new Evo. I'll have to wait another 3 years till I'm 25 before I pick one up for myself. I'll see you all at the Shootout in 3 years with my "4 door GSX" But for now I'll just have to be content to drive around in a 1st Gen, the closest thing to the car that all DSMs wish they were... their big brother EVO.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by AlecW81
^^^^ Ignorance must truly be bliss.

The Evo that has hit America's shores was designed to compete with the 223HP WRX that Suburu WAS selling at the time... and it SPANKED that WRX like a red-headed step-child. Subsequently Suburu brought a version of their STi WRX to take on the USDM Evo... so big surprise, a car that was released AFTER the first WRX was pimp-slapped, is faster than the Evo that was released before it. No I'll say this slowly and use small words so you're sure to understand: The Next Evo... That Comes to the US... WILL.. BE... FASTER... THAN THE CURRENT... STi... THIS IS CALLED... COMPETITION... I know that was a big word, so I'll break it down for you COMP-E-TI-TION. Can you say that? Understand the premise? This is why they have different trim levels of the Evo and WRX overseas... i.e. The Evo RS, GSR, etc. They'll probobly do the same over here in the next few years.

Now as for why the EVO is such a big deal... for $30k you can keep up with a Corvette Z06 in the quarter-mile, on the skidpad, around Laguna Seca etc. The Z06 is a 50K V8 powered RWD beast in it's own right... faster than cars that cost more than twice is much... yet it's almost matched or exceded by a 4cyl with almost 3 times less displacement, costing 20k less. This is quite an accomplishment by anyone's standards. True a Supra can make SICK HP, but lets see that Supra run 10s on street tires... or run 13s on a gravel track... hell I can't think of any other street car that could run with a 30k dollar Evo off-road (in stock form w/stock tires) The EVO is just an incredible all-around performer. It can handle any situation you throw at it, 1/4mile, circle track, auto-x, SCCA, Rally, ICE, etc... I'd put money on an Evo beating a STOCK GSX even if it launched in 2nd gear. That is why such a "Big Deal" is being made out of a "4 door GSX"

The only thing keeping me from buying an Evo upon my return to the states is insurance... I can't swing full coverage on any vehicle... let alone a brand new Evo. I'll have to wait another 3 years till I'm 25 before I pick one up for myself. I'll see you all at the Shootout in 3 years with my "4 door GSX" But for now I'll just have to be content to drive around in a 1st Gen, the closest thing to the car that all DSMs wish they were... their big brother EVO.

*claps*

 

[tsi_turboawd]

*well said*

 

[Aikouka]

The original Lancer Evolution went on sale in 1992.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/motorsports/history/90s/evo1.htm

Check out that site if you don't believe me, and go check out the older Mitsubishi F1 cars. That'd be neat to own, no?

And like everyone else said in this thread, the Lanevo isn't just "another 4G63." I wouldn't mind owning a Lancer Evolution (and I'm sure most would agreee .)

 

[entropy138]

Originally posted by igs


When did the Eclipse ever cost that much? A fully loaded and brand new Eclipse cost $27k, not 29.

you're bickering over a 2 grand difference... Its all relative to where you live... A new Evo where I'm at has a listed price of 40,900. That is a far cry from the 30k MSRP... So you may have seen an Eclipse for 27 and he may have seen one for 29. I remember seeing a 99 GSX going for ~34k ... So yeah - they did cost that much...

Hell a Z06 is MSRP of what like 57k and I'm sure you can find one for this price... I've seen a used one at a dealership with a pricetag of 69,000

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by AlecW81
^^^^ Ignorance must truly be bliss.

The Evo that has hit America's shores was designed to compete with the 223HP WRX that Suburu WAS selling at the time... and it SPANKED that WRX like a red-headed step-child.

bs the EVO has been competing against the STi for years in Japan and you gotta be kidding me if you think they didnt know that Subaru was bringing over the STi. They have been going up against each other for years.

Now as for why the EVO is such a big deal... for $30k you can keep up with a Corvette Z06 in the quarter-mile, on the skidpad, around Laguna Seca etc. The Z06 is a 50K V8 powered RWD beast in it's own right... faster than cars that cost more than twice is much...

Haha id love to see a EVO try and keep up with a 405hp ZO6 at Laguna seca. Shows just how ignorant you really are....

yet it's almost matched or exceded by a 4cyl with almost 3 times less displacement, costing 20k less.

Ricer bs math...

I'd put money on an Evo beating a STOCK GSX even if it launched in 2nd gear. That is why such a "Big Deal" is being made out of a "4 door GSX"

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You should go to the infirmary* I think the sun has fried your braIN /

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by entropy138



you're bickering over a 2 grand difference... Its all relative to where you live...:

Im still wondering when someone will answer me why is it the Japanese EVO is $23-$24K in american dollars with driver controlled active diff with push button settings for gravel/dirt, snow/ice and clean pavement and 6speed about the cost of a nicely equipped GS-T or TSi when they were new but the 8 costs around $30,000 with no six speed gearbox and Active Driver Controlled Diff???

Anyone? Anyone? Bueler/?

 

[entropy138]

Well for one - there are extra requirements they have to comply w/ to bring it to the US - this costs more money.

2 - They can charge it and people will pay it... Remember we're America - land of 'consumers'

3 - They aren't gonna sell nearly the same quantity here as they will in Japan... Remember the higher the sales the easier it is to still turn a profit at a lower price.... Think Group Buy

4 - Its been 4 or so years that you are trying to compare the price of a GSX vs Evo ... inflation is a factor....

5- Its more car than a GSX - think 205 hp vs 271 or whatever...

6- Its a new model vs the Evo 7 - which means there were some new engineering costs they had to make up...

7- Mitsu said themselves - they didn't see the demand for the goodies here like there is in Japan.

8 - Its an entirely different platform... You might as well compare a neon srt-4 to a 350z. Its a rally car meant to do as well on road as off... Although the GSX has all wheel drive- its a sport coupe w/ no where near the ground clearance

9 - do you really need more reasons?? I'm sure I can think of some more if you want....

Just because our money is worth xx amount of dollars in Japan - DOES NOT mean the cost to Mitsu is the same.....

Plus they don't have 3 car companies selling it (mitsu, eagle, plymouth..) Bulk sales again come into play....

 

[TSi999]

Those are some good reasons. It is still disapointing to see the EVO priced so high especially when they could sell probably 10k or more of them at teh $23-$25 K mark. I would go git one this weekend for the nearly 30K price if they had the 6 speed and ACD....

Mabye 04 or 05 will get the real goodies. Ill be wanting one for sure if they can hold the price and add the technologY/

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by Boostit
OK OK, here is why there is such a fuss...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34938
the above link is a dyno graph on the Evo forum displaying 518WHP on stock head and stock block.

read...

another reason... I have seen a evo beat a cobra 03, so do not underestimate the car.. it is not just another 4G63.. this is mitsubishi's flag ship and they will make it own all.

I understand why people hype this car up. I may not agree with it but hey I can see where they are coming from now. I'm sure you did not see a STOCK EVO beat a 03 Cobra. So that argument is QUITE weak. There is NO replacement for displacement. That 03 Cobra will make more power on pump gas then the EVO can ever dream of. Regardless both are ok cars. But please don't compare apples (stock cars) to oranges (modded cars).


TSI999,

Its seems you are one of the few that is capable of thinking on their own.

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by AlecW81
True a Supra can make SICK HP, but lets see that Supra run 10s on street tires... or run 13s on a gravel track... hell

Lets see an EVO run 10s ON PUMP GAS. As far as street tires go Supras have gone 8s on BFG DRs. Seriously how many EVO owners are going to take their EVOs out on the gravel? You do see a TON of Supras running the 1/4 and on the highway. Do you really think the average EVO owner is going to say "Hmm, I think I'll go find me a gravel track to play on". I highly doubt it.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by 94SupraTT


I understand why people hype this car up. I may not agree with it but hey I can see where they are coming from now. I'm sure you did not see a STOCK EVO beat a 03 Cobra. So that argument is QUITE weak. There is NO replacement for displacement. That 03 Cobra will make more power on pump gas then the EVO can ever dream of. Regardless both are ok cars. But please don't compare apples (stock cars) to oranges (modded cars).


TSI999,

Its seems you are the few that is capable of thinking on their own.

hehe you still dont agree with me apples and oranges is what your doing too? its not made for the 1/4th... I mean its a rally car... #1 and #2 its a track as in autocross and such... Its not a strip car... Yet you still havent replied to my thoughts on that, and you havent commented on it... I mean live your life 1/4th mile at a time but thats preferrence, being one who started the thread you have to atleast understand that much. And I am also sure with enough time and aftermarket support it will be running easy 10s. But the reason it was made and sold is for racing around corners and bends. Its like telling me a supra can destroy a LanEvo in autocross.. I have yet to see it happen. thank you very much.

 

[igs]

Originally posted by entropy138

you're bickering over a 2 grand difference... Its all relative to where you live... A new Evo where I'm at has a listed price of 40,900. That is a far cry from the 30k MSRP... So you may have seen an Eclipse for 27 and he may have seen one for 29. I remember seeing a 99 GSX going for ~34k ... So yeah - they did cost that much...

Hell a Z06 is MSRP of what like 57k and I'm sure you can find one for this price... I've seen a used one at a dealership with a pricetag of 69,000

the only number that matters is msrp

 

[igs]

Originally posted by TSi999

Im still wondering when someone will answer me why is it the Japanese EVO is $23-$24K in american dollars with driver controlled active diff with push button settings for gravel/dirt, snow/ice and clean pavement and 6speed about the cost of a nicely equipped GS-T or TSi when they were new but the 8 costs around $30,000 with no six speed gearbox and Active Driver Controlled Diff???

Anyone? Anyone? Bueler/?

import tax

 

[StockSpyder]

Originally posted by EvolvingGST


hehe you still dont agree with me apples and oranges is what your doing too? its not made for the 1/4th... I mean its a rally car... #1 and #2 its a track as in autocross and such... Its not a strip car... Yet you still havent replied to my thoughts on that, and you havent commented on it... I mean live your life 1/4th mile at a time but thats preferrence, being one who started the thread you have to atleast understand that much. And I am also sure with enough time and aftermarket support it will be running easy 10s. But the reason it was made and sold is for racing around corners and bends. Its like telling me a supra can destroy a LanEvo in autocross.. I have yet to see it happen. thank you very much.

This thread is out of hand, ive only a few points to mention :

1. The Supra is an awesome car, but made for the quarter mile its not.. 13.9 @ 130 anyone? Im sure quite a few Supra owners have seen that timeslip.

2. The Evo is a remarkable car. for what it is and mere bolt ons its already running mid 11s. On street tires, thanks.

3. The 03 Cobra, while nice, isnt my idea of a straight line racer. And I can think of at least 20 cars Id take before one of those things. Yes a few boltons, ( intake, full exhaust, pulley, chip and DR's ) will push you into the mid to deep 11s. what after that though? why do these cars require 500-600 hp to run deep 11s?

Im done. someone should shut down this thread, its obviously gone way past the original topic.

 

[StockSpyder]

This thread has already been so off topic, so I figured why not

note the words... friendly banter

5.0 vs DSMs

Car and Driver discussion

 

[Boostit]

I did see the Evo beat the Cobra 03...
only mods include:
3inch turbo back exhaust, boost controller (19psi), SAFC, and a Blitz BOV.

and just to let ya know.. the Cobra had light mods too.. K&N and Exhaust, though he wouldn't say what kind.

(Pic is dyno graph of the Evo i speak of)

When did i ever say there was a replacement for displacement.. i just stold you what i SAW.

On the note that Mitsubishi knew about the STi.. False.
No one knew about the STi until the unvailing 1 month after the Evo hit the market. It was designed to compete stricly with the WRX. And it did very well. Do not get me wrong, subaru makes a decent car.. but...

I have two good friends with STi's.. they will both tell you the main thing that pisses them off. "The car is great, except that it the car is maxed out on all the performance parts that come with it stock."

Evo is not... the STi is sluggish in the turns due to slapping a 2.5L in a 2.0L setup. This is why the Evo beats it in the twisties. They were only thinking of how to make it fast and appealing to the muscle crazy american's (i am american, so do not flame me on this, ).

Both cars have potential. Neither is a supra, thats a completely different playing level. If a supra was still available in the US, i am sure they would try to compete, but it's not.

The car is Amazing for what it is.. the hype is that there is only one like it, the STi. But the Evo is slightly more affordable with nearly the same package.. not to mention, the line is shorter for one since STi's are very limited.

Not meant to start a riot, just meant to re-phrase my shorter post .

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by Boostit
I did see the Evo beat the Cobra 03...
only mods include:
3inch turbo back exhaust, boost controller (19psi), SAFC, and a Blitz BOV.

Originally posted by 94SupraTT


I'm sure you did not see a STOCK EVO beat a 03 Cobra. So that argument is QUITE weak.

The EVO is more modded than the 03 Cobra. A exhaust is not going to do much for the Cobra. As I said. You did NOT see a STOCK EVO beat a 03 Cobra. Perhaps you have a problem with reading comprehension the key word in that passage was STOCK. Got it now?

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by EvolvingGST


I mean live your life 1/4th mile at a time but thats preferrence,

You've watched that movie one too many times.

Originally posted by EvolvingGST


And I am also sure with enough time and aftermarket support it will be running easy 10s. But the reason it was made and sold is for racing around corners and bends. Its like telling me a supra can destroy a LanEvo in autocross.. I have yet to see it happen. thank you very much.

Originally posted by 94SupraTT


Lets see an EVO run 10s ON PUMP GAS. [/i]

The key word in that sentence is PUMP GAS. Guess you too have a problem with reading comprehension. I never said EVOs would not run 10s. I said I would like to see an EVO run 10s on PUMP GAS. Its funny how people say "those tires aren't legal on the street" but forget how race gas is illegal. I am in an area that has a TON of domestics. They run around on ET Streets, DRs, whatever you name it. To me its more practical to run a sticky tire then try to run race gas everyday.

 

[94SupraTT]

Originally posted by StockSpyder



1. The Supra is an awesome car, but made for the quarter mile its not.. 13.9 @ 130 anyone? Im sure quite a few Supra owners have seen that timeslip.

Supras are quite capable. Unfortunately not all of their drivers are. Take any IRS 400+ HP car to the track on normal radials and try to run it. It will be a handful. The solution is simple. Get STICKY TIRES, ie drag radials, or ET Streets, get a 2step, rev the car up to 5800-6000, slip the clutch and collect your timeslip with a sub 1.7 60. Its sad that MANY Supra owners are more concerned with what they did on the dyno and NOT what they can do on the strip.