And_44
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- Feb 13, 2010
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Marysville,
Washington
Well,
I purchased an 1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD. When i purchased it the previous owner said it was running up till a few days before the purchase. And that he was able to crank engine but wasn't getting any spark to the plugs. Well after a 300 mile tow back to my place, I pulled battery because it was dead and took it to get charged, when i got Shucks to charge it they did their test and found that there was a internal crack or break inside long story short the batter was junk. So I purchased a new battery. Took it home installed it engine cranks everything lights up but still no spark. I removed the Ignition coil that night and was gonna swap it in morning with a new one and a new Ignition Module. Well the next day I come out swap them and hop in to try to start the beast and absolutely no charge what so ever, even the dash lights weren't dim it was dead dead. Battery is now on charger, and gonna install it to see if I can get it started with the new coil and module. But I fear that something is shorting out somewhere to cause the drain while ignition is off. Could a short somewhere cause the drain and at same time no spark? My next culprits are the ECU, crank/cam sensors. But other then those I can't explain the battery drain, well I can explain a batter drain, but could it also cause the no spark?
The upgrades done before purchase and only ones on car are a new turbo with Stage 1 turbine, 3" exhaust, new larger injectors with a new head, and intake manifold. And the repairs done before purchase are new cv axles, tierod ends, clutch and flywheel. The car was running well after all these were done to it.
Thanks in advance for any useful help, any at all really.
Update:
I got the battery installed after a full charge. I had fiancee try to start it while i'm standing over engine bay. It cranks like it did before, and sounds like it's trying to start but just can't. But when you stop cranking, right after it makes a weird grinding/whirling noise guessing from starter.
I've been looking around and thinking that maybe the starter may be draining my battery but could it still drain it with car in off. Battery is unhooked now(save me the charging trip). But I will pull the starter and take it in to get tested. Could the electrical part of starter cause no spark though?(well maybe if the electrical charge is being lost before hitting the coil and such?) The starter cranks the engine. And the Spark plugs appear fresh almost new. Same with the NGK wires, inspected wires for cracks and such really good condition. When i pulled a plug and checked for a spark the other day there was the smell and also could see the fuel spray from that cylinder.
Okie, did some closer inspection and found that there is sensor right next to the knock sensor on the back side of engine driver side under intake manifold. It is located inbound of the knock sensor and it has burned itself like a fuse for a bomb(it's completely gone). The wire leads to the mounting bracket for the vacuum lines with a wire connection that connect to the wire harness for coil and ignition module. I was told by a mechanic that looked at it that it was the crankshaft sensor BUT it appears to be a small 1inch sensor that screws into the head. It's extremely hard to reach but maybe with a few curse words and banged knuckles i can get to it. Could someone help me find out what the heck it is so i know what to ask for when looking for replacement?
Well second guessing but maybe it is the knock sensor. Could the missing wire prevent the engine from giving spark to plugs? The battery drain is probaly the altenator which is gonna get replaced anyway.
Got some pictures. One is of what is left of the wire. The other shows the knock sensor(which is indeed intact) with the mystery sensor to the right of it.
I purchased an 1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD. When i purchased it the previous owner said it was running up till a few days before the purchase. And that he was able to crank engine but wasn't getting any spark to the plugs. Well after a 300 mile tow back to my place, I pulled battery because it was dead and took it to get charged, when i got Shucks to charge it they did their test and found that there was a internal crack or break inside long story short the batter was junk. So I purchased a new battery. Took it home installed it engine cranks everything lights up but still no spark. I removed the Ignition coil that night and was gonna swap it in morning with a new one and a new Ignition Module. Well the next day I come out swap them and hop in to try to start the beast and absolutely no charge what so ever, even the dash lights weren't dim it was dead dead. Battery is now on charger, and gonna install it to see if I can get it started with the new coil and module. But I fear that something is shorting out somewhere to cause the drain while ignition is off. Could a short somewhere cause the drain and at same time no spark? My next culprits are the ECU, crank/cam sensors. But other then those I can't explain the battery drain, well I can explain a batter drain, but could it also cause the no spark?
The upgrades done before purchase and only ones on car are a new turbo with Stage 1 turbine, 3" exhaust, new larger injectors with a new head, and intake manifold. And the repairs done before purchase are new cv axles, tierod ends, clutch and flywheel. The car was running well after all these were done to it.
Thanks in advance for any useful help, any at all really.
Update:
I got the battery installed after a full charge. I had fiancee try to start it while i'm standing over engine bay. It cranks like it did before, and sounds like it's trying to start but just can't. But when you stop cranking, right after it makes a weird grinding/whirling noise guessing from starter.
I've been looking around and thinking that maybe the starter may be draining my battery but could it still drain it with car in off. Battery is unhooked now(save me the charging trip). But I will pull the starter and take it in to get tested. Could the electrical part of starter cause no spark though?(well maybe if the electrical charge is being lost before hitting the coil and such?) The starter cranks the engine. And the Spark plugs appear fresh almost new. Same with the NGK wires, inspected wires for cracks and such really good condition. When i pulled a plug and checked for a spark the other day there was the smell and also could see the fuel spray from that cylinder.
Okie, did some closer inspection and found that there is sensor right next to the knock sensor on the back side of engine driver side under intake manifold. It is located inbound of the knock sensor and it has burned itself like a fuse for a bomb(it's completely gone). The wire leads to the mounting bracket for the vacuum lines with a wire connection that connect to the wire harness for coil and ignition module. I was told by a mechanic that looked at it that it was the crankshaft sensor BUT it appears to be a small 1inch sensor that screws into the head. It's extremely hard to reach but maybe with a few curse words and banged knuckles i can get to it. Could someone help me find out what the heck it is so i know what to ask for when looking for replacement?
Well second guessing but maybe it is the knock sensor. Could the missing wire prevent the engine from giving spark to plugs? The battery drain is probaly the altenator which is gonna get replaced anyway.
Got some pictures. One is of what is left of the wire. The other shows the knock sensor(which is indeed intact) with the mystery sensor to the right of it.
). As for no spark if u got the new coil on and nothing still, find out wut sends power to the coil and check that next.
