DSM w/ 272 + stock springs..

[firebirdvert305]

Well im looking into getting 272's...but i didnt know if the stock springs would suffice, where are you guys shifting at rpm wise? Are the stock springs holding up well? Lemme know how your guys setups are.

 

[Slow95gsx]

I wouldnt reccomend it. I was in the same boat about a week ago but then I thought to myself. Spend the extra $365 on FP dual springs or pay for new valves, HG maybe pistons if the valves float.

 

[andymoraitis]

Running 272's to 7500 RPM doesn't require aftermarket springs. True, they're worthwhile insurance, but you don't float valves at those RPM's. If you plan on going to 8000+, I'd certainly recommend it. I run my Comp 200's to 7000-7200 on stock springs without issue.

Hope that helps,

Andy

 

[ECLIPSE4x4]

I agree with Andy. I went the cheap way and used 1G springs. They are a little heavier.

 

[~laser_craver~]

Like stated above you wont need prings unless your reving to 8k rpms.

 

[CanadianTSi]

Shep used to run to 8500 all day long on the stock springs.

 

[qwklil4]

I cant remember their name on here, but someone was taking stock springs to 9k shifts.

Disclaimer: I'm NOT reccomending doing this, just saying it has been done.

 

[GSX]

272s revving to 8K here, stock springs (2G components).

 

[firebirdvert305]

thanx guys...i really dont plan on shifting at 8k, 7500 will suit my needs just fine as i will be purchasing an evo 3 16g for my daily driven car. Hopefully il like my 16g,fmic,272 setup...after that im probley gonna purchase the JMF intake manifold, those things look almost too good to be true.

 

[project_tsi]

I'd look into a larger turbo if I were you. 20g, 50trim, etc. With a good tune you will quickly run out of turbo w/ those 272's, especially w/ a SMIM. Talk to andy (above), he will tell you all about it. He's running a Big 16g, Comp 200's, 25psi, and he's running out of turbo.

 

[BrokenTsi]

1g intake manifold will out perform the JM manifold for most of the rpm range if you're only revvin that high on a 16g. I wouldn't recommend changning out the manifold.

I ran 272's on stock springs with no problems. My 1-2 shift was at 8200rpms.

 

[gSx_r1der]

thanx guys...i really dont plan on shifting at 8k, 7500 will suit my needs just fine as i will be purchasing an evo 3 16g for my daily driven car. Hopefully il like my 16g,fmic,272 setup...after that im probley gonna purchase the JMF intake manifold, those things look almost too good to be true.

Why dont you just get a 16g now, before going with jmfab intake($500) manifold and 272 cams($600). And how about some fuel and a pump. My opinion is, you should follow the upgrade path:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/stage1power.php

There you will realize that you can do well over +300awhp by just following those upgrades and adding more fuel (720's w/255lph)=$500, and turbo(16g,50-trim)=$8-900. You dont need an intake manifold as everyone has said, nor do you need cams yet. Add some fuel and then do cams.

Edit: Hey project_tsi hes going to run out of fuel before he runs out of turbo on cams and a smim.

 

[larsrya8]

There you will realize that you can do well over +300awhp by just following those upgrades and adding more fuel (720's w/255lph)=$500, and turbo(16g,50-trim)=$8-900.

While on the topic of fuel...
Don't forget to replace the fuel filter and the line from the filter to rail. And get an AFPR.

No point in upgrading the pump if the filter and line can't flow any more than stock. And you will need an AFPR with the 255.

To repeat what everyone else has said... the stock springs will work nicely with 272's. Just don't think you can rev to 9500. Those tired springs may be good but they aren't that good.

 

[Black94DSM]

So whats the limit on stock springs. Lets just say roughly with around 100,000 miles on them. I would think 8,000 rpm would be the limit, if you plan to go farther get better springs and retainers.

Am i right ?

 

[BrokenTsi]

You're going to want to shift before you reach 8k. It will feel like the engine is choking itself trying to rev so high on the stock intake manifold. Even on my 50 trim with 272's, anything past 7500 was pointless. You wont really need to shift higher than 7500 anyways. But if you want to, it wont hurt anything.

 

[firebirdvert305]

Well wut i had planned on doing is to set the car up the way i "wanted" it..as leaving the turbo for my last bolt on. The car right now has a walbro 190 that im going to re-wire, im probley not gonna run a AFPR, The car right now is still on stock 450's, eprom ecu tune, This brings up a very good point tho, maybe i should go a little bigger then evo 3 16g when i get the 272's, but then again its my daily driver car.

 

[Black94DSM]

You're going to want to shift before you reach 8k. It will feel like the engine is choking itself trying to rev so high on the stock intake manifold. Even on my 50 trim with 272's, anything past 7500 was pointless. You wont really need to shift higher than 7500 anyways. But if you want to, it wont hurt anything.

I understand that, but i was asking what the limits are on the stock springs were.

I know you can run them to 8,000rpm safely, but whats the highest you can run them before valve float. Assuming they will be coupled with the 272, DKS, Comp 200 type of cams.

 

[firebirdvert305]

Im gonna be purchasing the DKS2 cams probley of next week, Im quite undecided if i want to buy cam gears to go along with these cams yet. Alot of people run the 272's without degreeing them right out the box and have no complaints...im skeptical on what i should do.

 

[qwklil4]

I'd reccommend talking to FFWD about it, but it does say right on there site:

"Our Number 1 "flavor of the month" question that is pitched to us about these cams, "Can I install these straight up?" The answer is YES YOU CAN. These cams follow the same profile as HKS cams along with having the same exercised quality control in each "stick". Each cam cut is exactly like the last. In other words, if HKS camshafts have it, so do these." -FFWD

 

[Slippi84]

Im gonna be purchasing the DKS2 cams probley of next week, Im quite undecided if i want to buy cam gears to go along with these cams yet. Alot of people run the 272's without degreeing them right out the box and have no complaints...im skeptical on what i should do.

Thread stealer . Start your own thread

As a short reply though it depends on the brand of cams like everyone knows that HKS and other cams like FP and comp have been dropped in without any degreing. Degreing is used to get the most out of your cams but is generaly not needed with a good quality cam. Now seeing how the DKS are knock of HKS (it even says it on the ffwd site) they should act just like HKS cams and not need cam gears if that helps you out. Next time start your own thread lazy ass .

 

[firebirdvert305]

Thread stealer . Start your own thread

As a short reply though it depends on the brand of cams like everyone knows that HKS and other cams like FP and comp have been dropped in without any degreing. Degreing is used to get the most out of your cams but is generaly not needed with a good quality cam. Now seeing how the DKS are knock of HKS (it even says it on the ffwd site) they should act just like HKS cams and not need cam gears if that helps you out. Next time start your own thread lazy ass .

Look who started the thread...and look who you made that comment too...

 

[Slippi84]

Lol my bad man didn't know you started the thread you posted like someone that was tryin to hijack . I could say something like use the search and find your answer but i think since I made an ass of myself i'll just leave it alone

 

[BrokenTsi]

I understand that, but i was asking what the limits are on the stock springs were.

I know you can run them to 8,000rpm safely, but whats the highest you can run them before valve float. Assuming they will be coupled with the 272, DKS, Comp 200 type of cams.

It's hard to say. Some people rev to infinite and some people drop valves at any given rpm. Changing the springs is recommended by hks or comp, but not mandatory. Springs are cheap and can easily be installed in a few hours

 

[andymoraitis]

I'd look into a larger turbo if I were you. 20g, 50trim, etc. With a good tune you will quickly run out of turbo w/ those 272's, especially w/ a SMIM. Talk to andy (above), he will tell you all about it. He's running a Big 16g, Comp 200's, 25psi, and he's running out of turbo.

Yup,

I've so run out of turbo it's not even funny. The 200's and their equivalents will provide excellent power up top, but I normally see 25psi falling to 20 or so in 2nd and 3rd. I think it's time for something a bit larger.

Andy

 

[firebirdvert305]

andy what size turbo are you running now? Any dyno numbers of your setup? How do you like those cams, did you degree them?