does any one know why 3Gs aren't DSMs?

[mdctalon]

why a 3g(2000 up) eclipse isn't considered a DSM?

 

[DSMNightmare]

yeah if were being technical then really 1g's are the TRUE DSM's

but 2g's share the same powerrplant

PS...your friend is nuts...he must have been driving against bad drivers because i WALK 3g GT/GTS almost everyother day on the highway

Right but Chrysler had input in the design of the 2G where they did not with the 3G.

 

[NickBsGST]

Right but Chrysler had input in the design of the 2G where they did not with the 3G.

i was poking fun at 2g owners...as you see im a 1g owner

1g/2g i consider DSM's

3g i consider Mitsu

 

[DSMNightmare]

i was poking fun at 2g owners...as you see im a 1g owner

1g/2g i consider DSM's

3g i consider Mitsu

, my bad.

 

[NickBsGST]

, my bad.

Its all good bro just didnt want you to think i was an idiot or dumb or anything

 

[blMuskrat]

To give a completely straight answer to the original question (and sum up a lot of what was said here):

In the tuner world:
1) 1g Eclipse/Talon/Lasers are the TRUE DSM's
2) 2g Eclipse/Talons and Galant VR-4s are considered DSM's because they share the same power-plant (4g63, 420A)
3) Although the Evo shares the power-plant (4g63), they formed their own community, but in many local clubs, they are considered DSM's as well.

The term "DSM" in the real world sense indicates any car built at the factory in Normal during the partnership. So technically the 3g Eclipse doesn't fit any of these descriptions.

 

[DSMNightmare]

To give a completely straight answer to the original question (and sum up a lot of what was said here):

In the tuner world:
1) 1g Eclipse/Talon/Lasers are the TRUE DSM's
2) 2g Eclipse/Talons and Galant VR-4s are considered DSM's because they share the same power-plant (4g63, 420A)
3) Although the Evo shares the power-plant (4g63), they formed their own community, but in many local clubs, they are considered DSM's as well.

The term "DSM" in the real world sense indicates any car built at the factory in Normal during the partnership. So technically the 3g Eclipse doesn't fit any of these descriptions.

#2 2Gs are considered DSMs not only because they share the same power plant but also because they share the same assembly plant. Still the same plant, same designers, same employees. The only differnce was the name Diamond Star Motors was changed sometime after the 1995-1996 production runs. Not sure to the exact year. The early EVOs had more in common with the GVR4 than the 1Gs and 2Gs because the GVR4 and EVO were both made in Japan. Also Chrysler did not have any input in the design of the GVR4 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[00 Agent]

#2 2Gs are considered DSMs not only because they share the same power plant but also because they share the same assembly plant. Still the same plant, same designers, same employees. The only differnce was the name Diamond Star Motors was changed sometime after the 1995-1996 production runs. Not sure to the exact year. The early EVOs had more in common with the GVR4 than the 1Gs and 2Gs because the GVR4 and EVO were both made in Japan. Also Chrysler did not have any input in the design of the GVR4 if I'm not mistaken.

I think the whole technical point here is that in order to be called a true Dimond Star Motors car it had to be actually built by Diamond Star Motors.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I think the whole technical point here is that in order to be called a true Dimond Star Motors car it had to be actually built by Diamond Star Motors.

Build by or Designed by? Because the exact same people worked in the Mitsu plant after they changed the name and like we discussed before DSMs up to 96 still carried the DSM label. 97+ did not but the did not change many design elements between the two.

 

[blMuskrat]

#2 2Gs are considered DSMs not only because they share the same power plant but also because they share the same assembly plant. Still the same plant, same designers, same employees. The only differnce was the name Diamond Star Motors was changed sometime after the 1995-1996 production runs. Not sure to the exact year. The early EVOs had more in common with the GVR4 than the 1Gs and 2Gs because the GVR4 and EVO were both made in Japan. Also Chrysler did not have any input in the design of the GVR4 if I'm not mistaken.

Thats exactly right, but the point I was making was that DSM's are DSM's because they were built by Diamond Star motors. So only the 1g's are the real DSM's. Any other vehicle is just considered a DSM because it is extreamly similar to the 1g.

Build by or Designed by? Because the exact same people worked in the Mitsu plant after they changed the name and like we discussed before DSMs up to 96 still carried the DSM label. 97+ did not but the did not change many design elements between the two.

Technically 95-96 vehicles are DSM's. This is the fuzzy area when DSM was disbanding and becomming Mitsubishi Motors in the US. There are probably unlimited ways to argue that the 2g is a true DSM, and unlimited way's to argue against it. It's probably best to just compromise and say, "In the end, it's still considered a DSM either way."

 

[DSMNightmare]

I see what your saying but my point is that the ONLY thing that changed in normal IL was the actual name of the plant. Even though 95+ may have been after the change of the name they were still designed before the merger was over.

Like you said there are infinite ways to debate this.

 

[Luv2Spool]

for your info a stock gt eclispe can take a gs-t . Dont tell me it cant he ( my buddy ) has beat numerous gs-t's and tsi's

I am sorry but I must laugh. The 3rd gen eclipses are pooches. Plus here is the major factor= put a straight pipe exhaust and an intake on both a 3rd gen and a 2nd or 1st gen and the 1st or 2nd gen will stomp on the 3rd gen. (Turbo is a wonderful thing) 3rd gens are Normally aspirated and heavy. Besides they made it into a total chick car. And even when my gst was stock I could walk all over new gt's all day long. Now I dont even bother messing with them, guys pull up along side thinking they are all fast (which is a relative term), and want to race. I just ignore them. The only possible way for a 3rd gen to beat a 1st or 2nd gen turbo would be if the 1st or 2nd gens were automatics especially if they are AWD, or if the car did happen to be a stick the driver obviously really needs to learn how to drive their car.

And as far as the whole DSM thing goes my 98 has the Daimond Star Motors sticker in the engine bay, so the company that assembled them most likely came under new ownership or the name just changed when the body style did , anyways. I'll stop here, really I never intended to get this far off topic.

 

[Defiant]

I think "DSM" is used instead of T/E/L. However, those who need to know what a DSM is, and those who don't, don't.