Do they have DSMs in Japan?

[pimpizzy]

Hey guys. i was on another forum i a over read someone say DSMs arent a true import because their made in IL. and they arent even in Japan? i dont really think this is true and its a load of crap because of how popular DSMs are. i dont really know or read about the racing scene in japan, so they do have DSMs in japan rite?

 

[Syndicate13]

Hey guys. i was on another forum i a over read someone say DSMs arent a true import because their made in IL. and they arent even in Japan? i dont really think this is true and its a load of crap because of how popular DSMs are. i dont really know or read about the racing scene in japan, so they do have DSMs in japan rite?

The only DSM's in Japan were imported there. There are a handful, relative to the number sold here anyway. The cars were designed for the american market and the 2G was completely designed in California. Every DSM was built in Normal Illinois.

 

[truECLIPSE]

I thought there was a "Gt" version sold specifically to the Japanese/ European Markets

 

[TracOwner]

Yeah, they have some dsms in Japan but not as many as here. I've seen a picture of a 2genDSM from Japan with all those fast n furiuos stickers on it. Anyways........more dsms would've made it to Japan wasn't it for the growing popularity of SUVs

 

[JiveMasterT]

yeah they did... the differences are:

some of the first gens had flip up doors like the delorean, the GSX was called the GSR-4 (following in the lancer evo naming scheme) and i think they had a spyder over there to.

oh, and they were all imported over there to... none were made over there. thats why i tell my f-body friends that my car is a domestic and their car is an import.

 

[Syndicate13]

yeah they did... the differences are:

some of the first gens had flip up doors like the delorean, the GSX was called the GSR-4 (following in the lancer evo naming scheme) and i think they had a spyder over there to.

oh, and they were all imported over there to... none were made over there. thats why i tell my f-body friends that my car is a domestic and their car is an import.

All DSM's were built in Illinois, they are all left hand drive and were imported by private companies for sale overseas. The gullwing 1G's as well as the targa 1G's were modified by those companies after they were imported and rediculously expensive. There used to be an awesome thread on this kind of stuff on Talk. It was like 20+ pages long with all kinds of pics of weird prototypes and concepts, like the one convertible 1G that Chrysler built as well as the only factory built Spyder GSX. I used to have all the pics saved but my comp crashed

 

[JiveMasterT]

All DSM's were built in Illinois, they are all left hand drive and were imported by private companies for sale overseas. The gullwing 1G's as well as the targa 1G's were modified by those companies after they were imported and rediculously expensive. There used to be an awesome thread on this kind of stuff on Talk. It was like 20+ pages long with all kinds of pics of weird prototypes and concepts, like the one convertible 1G that Chrysler built as well as the only factory built Spyder GSX. I used to have all the pics saved but my comp crashed

gullwing! thats the word i was looking for!

i dont understand why anyone would pay more than we pay for these things... i mean, i bought my car cause it was cheap with good potential and decently quick out of the box....... then again no one woulda thought that their gullwing gsr-4 eclipse would be a total pain in the ass down the road.

 

[Syndicate13]

gullwing! thats the word i was looking for!

i dont understand why anyone would pay more than we pay for these things... i mean, i bought my car cause it was cheap with good potential and decently quick out of the box....... then again no one woulda thought that their gullwing gsr-4 eclipse would be a total pain in the ass down the road.

I look at Skylines the same way. They are practically a dime a dozen in other countries yet they are revered as almost god like here. I don't see anything impressive from a stock Skyline, I think they run high 13's? They are rare and that's what makes people wet in their knickers over them. Same sentiment with DSM's in Japan I assume.

 

[Defiant]

Hey guys. i was on another forum i a over read someone say DSMs arent a true import because their made in IL.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106105
as well as a dozen other threads. Or, you could just read your doorjamb.

 

[pimpizzy]

thanks for posting guys and clearify everything

 

[BlandAnalogy]

what about japan spec evolutions? those arent diamond star motors? and what about 3kgt's? those are diamond star motors as well arent they? how about fto's? i was under the impression they were dsm's too. guess im wrong.

 

[Syndicate13]

what about japan spec evolutions? those arent diamond star motors? and what about 3kgt's? those are diamond star motors as well arent they? how about fto's? i was under the impression they were dsm's too. guess im wrong.

Wow. Diamond Star Motors was a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler in the early 90's. Chrysler needed a small, sporty car to sell for cheap and Mitsubishi needed a way to manufacture their cars in North America. Chrysler provided the plant and Mitsu provided the car. All DSM's were built in Normal Illinois, just like I explained earlier. Any car not built at the Normal plant is not a DSM. GVR4's are not true DSMs but are grouped in because of the obvious similarities. Sebrings and Avengers were also built in the Normal plant but are not really considered DSMs since they share no real parts with the cars we all love. This is the reason it is so hard to define a DSM. I do not consider the NT cars DSM's. The best part about a DSM is the 4g63 and they don't have one (except the NT 1G's, half sibling maybe) so who cares? I know that statement will piss some people off but such is life. The partnership between Mitsu and Chrysler ended in 94 just after the tooling for the 2G's was completed. So if you really want to nitpick then 2G's weren't true DSM's. This point can be argued for the next 100 years but what really matters is that 90-99 Eclipse, Talon, or Laser with the 4g63 motor are DSM's and what this site is truly about. And yes I know someone will chime in with a 420a that runs better times than me and I don't care. Good day.

 

[mysticfire6602]

I do not consider the NT cars DSM's. The best part about a DSM is the 4g63 and they don't have one (except the NT 1G's, half sibling maybe) so who cares?

well since only about 15%-20% of all e/t/l made there were turbo, then i consider the n/t a true dsm and the turbo models just souped up dsm's

 

[napkinthief]

Any car not built at the Normal plant is not a DSM

I bet you a nickel that someone here built their car in a garage somewhere other than Normal IL.

 

[Syndicate13]

well since only about 15%-20% of all e/t/l made there were turbo, then i consider the n/t a true dsm and the turbo models just souped up dsm's

Then why are our forums not catered to the Avenger/Sebring crowd as well? There were certainly more of them built than turbo cars. This site is, has, and always will be performance oriented. The turbo cars are rediculously easy to pull power from and the NT cars are not.

I bet you a nickel that someone here built their car in a garage somewhere other than Normal IL.

You obviously missed the point..........

 

[super97gst]

what about japan spec evolutions? those arent diamond star motors? and what about 3kgt's? those are diamond star motors as well arent they? how about fto's? i was under the impression they were dsm's too. guess im wrong.

i always wondered about this, the 3000gt/stealths. what are they considered then.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

No, the 3S's are not DSM's. All DSM's were made in the DSM plant in Normal, Ill. All 3S's were assembeled in Mitsubishi 's Nagoya, Japan plant. From the DSM FAQ: DSM - Diamond Star Motors A joint effort by Mitsubishi (three diamonds) and the Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) to build some of the most incredible automobiles in the world. The (following) vehicles were produced, the Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser. DSM cars (were all) assembled in Normal, Illinois.

PLEASE PEOPLE SPREAD THE WORD THAT 3S's ARE NOT DSM

 

[paranoidTSi]

Technically 2Gs are true DSMs as well at the very least 95-96s..the design plans for the 2nd Generation DSM were done before the split, this is why EARLY (produced in 94') 95 models still retain the DSM sticker.

We can argue till we are blue in the face about what is a DSM and what isn't, in terms of "DSM Performance" it relates to Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser/Mitsubishi Eclipse performance, NON-TURBO or NOT. a N/T has JUST as much right to be here as the Turbo models and I am sick of seeing some of you bash others for having n/t models...its petty and childish.

Yes a Dodge Avenger is a DSM
Yes a Chrysler Sebring is a DSM

Maybe we need to change this site to LTETuners or TELTuners since some of you can't get out of your minds that this site doesn't focus on the previously mentioned vehicles.

 

[Talesin]

On a non-drama note, anyone know if there's a way to get the GVR4 gullwings and retrofit them on a 1G? Tired of seeing all the VLD kits for 2G and 3Kgt, but no love for the 1G.

Even if it might make getting out of the car a bit more of a pain in the posterior (or head, once the struts start to fail. ;D), there's just something about the gullwing style that catches eyes.

 

[Defiant]

On a non-drama note, anyone know if there's a way to get the GVR4 gullwings and retrofit them on a 1G?

It'd be easier and cheaper to just buy a Bricklin.

 

[mysticfire6602]

Then why are our forums not catered to the Avenger/Sebring crowd as well? There were certainly more of them built than turbo cars. This site is, has, and always will be performance oriented. The turbo cars are rediculously easy to pull power from and the NT cars are not.

thats not the point. the dsm (be it n/t or turbo) share the same basic designs, the 4g63 or 420a. if the sebrings/avengers have the 420a in them them i would consider them a dsm, but im not sure what engine is in them. basicly what you are saying is that you cant call the base model camaro a "camaro" and only the z28 or burlineta can be called a camaro.

 

[Syndicate13]

thats not the point. the dsm (be it n/t or turbo) share the same basic designs, the 4g63 or 420a. if the sebrings/avengers have the 420a in them them i would consider them a dsm, but im not sure what engine is in them. basicly what you are saying is that you cant call the base model camaro a "camaro" and only the z28 or burlineta can be called a camaro.

But if you care about performance why would you start with the inferior platform? There aren't a whole lot of people who have the means between both a V6 Camaro and the V8 and choose the V6. Same deal here. If you had the means and choice between a GSX and a GS which would you choose? Now I'm waiting for someone to tell me they would take the GS to be different and their insurance is cheaper. Suck it.

 

[mysticfire6602]

you missed the entire point once again. im not talking in terms of performance. i prolly shouldnt have used the camaro as an example, since the base model has a v6 instead of a v8. i know your gonna say "but the 2g base models have a different engine" but they are both 4 cylinders and the 420a is a varient of the same exact motor. what im trying to say is that, for example, the 300zx has both a n/t v6 and a turbo v6. having the n/t v6 doesnt not make it a 300zx just because it doesnt have a turbo. all i was trying to say from the beginning was that the e/t/l has a n/t and turbo variants, but having the n/t doesnt not make it an e/t/l. so n/t or not, all im saying is that they are both dsm's

edit: and i still have a DSM engine code sticker on the firewall of my 1g gs

 

[RoasT BeeF]

if the sebrings/avengers have the 420a in them them i would consider them a dsm, but im not sure what engine is in them.

Ah, so those old Neon's must be DSM's also huh?

Sebrings and Avengers are NOT DSM's, sorry.

 

[mysticfire6602]

ok, let me be even more specific. the dsm is purley a car that was manufactured and designed by the joint effort of mitsu/chrysler. the sebring/avenger wernt designed/created with help by mitsu, so they arent a DSM. but if they have a 420a in them i will definatly consider them cousins. no, the neon has no mitsu design in it, but it has a 420a in it, so i will always consider them relatives.