could my N/T ever be fast enough?

[ECLIPSE95]

tonight was a total drag being downtown..I totally got my car bashed on by a couple of WRX's and an STi saying I couldn't be as fast they they could..I'm I wasting my time building up my RS..should I just go out and buy a turbo DSM? and fix that up..but the thing is that I have came a long way and I don't know what to do just wondering if anybody out there could help me out on this..just wonding if my car could ever go that fast as an STi?..I am planning on getting a 2.2 stroker and a HRC stage 2 turbo kit with a super 20G turbo..but that all takes time and lots and lots of money..its seems much easier just to but I turbo dsm..I dunno..what do you think?

 

[Nosjunke]

Run lots of nitrous. Don't go more than a 75hp shot unless you upgrade your motor and fuel system. That'll get you closer. Possibly knock a second and a half off your 1/4 mile time, unless your clutch goes.

 

[dsm-jdm]

I say to stick with your car....your 420a has lots of potential.....with a Hahn Stage 2 you'll be hitting about 280 ponies on your RS...and ofcourse with other upgrades like cams, pistons, rods, etc....youre enigne will be running hard and without much stress....
A Stroker kit is a a great idea...but the only set back with a stroker kit is that you'll have to be replacing parts yearly just to keep up with proper maintanance....I strongly suggest you check out the parts catalog..you'll notice a big selection of engine parts for the 420a.....
Regardless, it'll be expensive. But remember, this is an expensive hobby your running and if you want it done, you'll get it done.....
Forget what those idiots said about your car.....Your car is capable of running just as good and if not even better....Do some research, and you'll find some 420a's running 300+ ponies and in my personal opinion, thats definately enough to smack up a good portion of those cars you ran into that night......

 

[ECLIPSE95]

thankz alot dsm-jdm for that boost of confedence there..I have been doing alot of research on my car for about a year and I made up an entire list of what I want to do with it...I'll keep my RS and keep plugging away at it for more HP....just waiting to save up for that turbo kit and a tranny rebuilt and new clutch to handle the turbo kit..thankz for the help...

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Reminds me of how i use to own a 97 Eclipse RS. Now i have a 98 GST. So basically what im saying is if youve already spent alot of money on your RS..you might as well keep it. But remember, you can spend thousands on your RS but it will still be a slow piece of shit if you dont have a turbo. Get the turbo kit and youll be str8. Ive learned from my past experiences of how i bought my 97 RS a year ago thinking ill make it quicker than a GST or a GSX..but i was wrong. I spent way too much money on it..including power windows, power locks, and performance mods including Greddy Exhaust, Injen Intake, Greddy Headers, UDP, and etc. I still got beat by Family Sedans and had to live with that feeling of being in the car with your friend or your g/f and all of a sudden some whack car pulls next to you..your friends think youll beat this fool really bad just by looking at his car..but it turns out that car just spanked the hell out of you and than your friends start saying "Eclipses are garbage". I was forced to keep my limits in racing..i only picked on cars like honda civics and dodge neons or integra LS's. But my car was still slow. Eventually i got sick and tired of it and just bought a GST. I would have had to spent thousands more to even say my RS was quick. But i wasnt gonna take the chance. But since youve already spent alot on your car...keep it, turbo it, and show them bastards whats up.

 

[miamieclipse]

! yo i kno what u mean, i have a 2gnt w/ intake, exhaust, udp, header and no cat and my friend wit a se-r spec v wit the same mods (but dosent have udp) spanks!!! the shit out of me, and its not cause im a bad driver cause wit intake and exhaust i ran a 15.7, he can take '03 srt-4's (stock) on the highway. So if this sounds like im pised its cause i am!!!!!!!!!!! i dont want to go turbo (dont have the money) and i dont want to go nos (a) need to use my car as a dd, b)dont feel like rebuilding my tranny). ####in a! PLEASE PLEASE someone help me get back on the right track, im gettin another car next year when the 2005 rx-7 comes out (next summer, double bonus cause my ins. goes down cause i turn 18). But for now please, please!! someone help me

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Yea the worst thing that happened to me when i owned the 97 RS was when i got raped by a Ford Taurus (not the SHO). At the same time this guy in a Toyota 4runner wanted to race me and my friends told me i better beat him to prove to them my car was atleast race worthy..seriosuly, i thought i would crush him but he beat me by about 5 cars before i finally caught up to him around 85 MPh, thats when he quit racing and he hit his flashers on me. My friends were embarrased to ride with me again. It was so depressing and working on N/T are a pain in the ass. After that, no one wanted to ride with me again. And this was with injen intake, Greddy exhaust, Headers, UDP.

But a few cars i did beat were

VW Jetta GT (vento)
Integra LS (modded)
Lancer Ralliart (162 Horsepower version)
Mustang V6
96 prelude (non SI)
94 Celica
Integra GSR (I still think this race was a fluke...i think the guy messed up on his launch and stalled..this race was at the track in the 1/8 mile)
My friends tractor trailer.....

You win some you lose some...but TURBO is crucial..Now that i own a GST..i am confident and i have soo much fun smoking the hell out of most cars on the street

 

[joeshoaf]

dont get rid of your rs, the rs is a pain in the ass to work on though but everybody says its cheaper going with the gst or gsx. Well lets actually think about it. most gsts that you can find or if you can find any that arent moded the hell out of are gonna have around 75k+ miles on them, those motors are gonna need to be rebuilt eventually so say thats gonna run you around $3k... ok lets add intercooler then upgrade turbo and other parts.. that could run another $1.5k or more depending on the stuff.. ok with the n/t u will spend about the same on the motor getting rebuilt and if you look around u will def find a kit to turbo ur car for atleast $3k.. but guess what... you dont ahve to pay xtra on insurance cause you dont own the turbo model so with in a year or 2 your gonna save on havin the non turbo model car and still put out very nice hp......

 

[97ClipseDSM]

What extra insurance?? there is no extra insurance for a GST..thats what i thought too untill i went to my insurance company and she told me how much insurance i had to pay..believe it or not..it was $3 cheaper than my RS. Now i dont know why..i know its strange. I even asked her if turbo cars are more..she said no..its only the 2 door and teenage driving that makes the insurance high because the 2 door gets put in the "sports car" category. And believe me, im not the one to say dont keep your RS or tell you what to do..but if you want pure speed..youd be better off buying a GST or a GSX and working on it. I learned my lesson the hard way..your building your RS to match a stock GST speed or a few more ponies but there is only so much your 420A motor can handle... think how much easier it would be to own a turbo model and increasing its horsepower. There are alot of cars out there with more than 210 horsepower so if you want speed aim for something more than to match a GST or a GSX. But the easiest and most powerful way to start would be to own a GST or a GSX. But good luck on your projects, i hope the painfull $ you put in is well worth it. I know how frustrating it was to spend all that $ in my RS and it was still a slow piece of shit. I was forced to get rid of it and hell i even lost money on the deal..but atleast i could sleep in peace knowing i got a stock 210 horsepower turbocharged engine in my GST. The easiest way i see it to make your RS fast would be to do a 4g63 swap. I would never keep a 420A motor in my RS if i was going for speed because the 420A is not capable of more than 240 Horsepower ..and i wouldnt waste my time messing with internals either. Get a 4g63 engine and than turbo it. There, your RS is fast now. Thats just my oppinion so dont flame me for it, im just trying to save you from painfull $ spending and the hard times you will most likely face. But i know for a fact not all of you are rich so thats why im telling you all this. Dont waste money..spend it reasonably. If you havnt started working on your RS or your GS yet and want to make it fast..sell it and buy a GSX or a GST. But if you already have, keep your nonturbo and do a 4g63 swap and turbo it.

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by ECLIPSE95
tonight was a total drag being downtown..I totally got my car bashed on by a couple of WRX's and an STi saying I couldn't be as fast they they could..I'm I wasting my time building up my RS..

If you have to ask, yes.

should I just go out and buy a turbo DSM? and fix that up..but the thing is that I have came a long way and I don't know what to do just wondering if anybody out there could help me out on this..just wonding if my car could ever go that fast as an STi?

By the time you've done that, you already out-spent the cost of a nice factory Turbo DSM + mods with more power.

..I am planning on getting a 2.2 stroker and a HRC stage 2 turbo kit with a super 20G turbo..but that all takes time and lots and lots of money..its seems much easier just to but I turbo dsm..I dunno..what do you think?

Car with biggest bang for the buck, factory turbo DSM .

Originally posted by Nosjunke
Run lots of nitrous. Don't go more than a 75hp shot unless you upgrade your motor and fuel system. That'll get you closer. Possibly knock a second and a half off your 1/4 mile time, unless your clutch goes.

You can go 100 shot with proper fuel upgrades and tuning (ie. FP, Fuel Injectors, Spark plugs etc.). It would be nowhere near a full second and a half. Don't you think more NT owners would be doing it if it was that easy?

Originally posted by dsm-jdm
I say to stick with your car....your 420a has lots of potential.....with a Hahn Stage 2 you'll be hitting about 280 ponies on your RS

Sorry buddy, people are having trouble getting past the 260 mark (crank) on stage 2.

Your car is capable of running just as good and if not even better....

Like stated before, you already out-spent the cost of a nice factory Turbo DSM + mods with more power.

Originally posted by miamieclipse
my friend wit a se-r spec v wit the same mods....he can take '03 srt-4's (stock) on the highway.

Those SRT-4 owners he raced must be horrible drivers.

Originally posted by joeshoaf
dont get rid of your rs, the rs is a pain in the ass to work on though but everybody says its cheaper going with the gst or gsx. Well lets actually think about it. most gsts that you can find or if you can find any that arent moded the hell out of are gonna have around 75k+ miles on them, those motors are gonna need to be rebuilt eventually so say thats gonna run you around $3k... ok lets add intercooler then upgrade turbo and other parts.. that could run another $1.5k or more depending on the stuff.. ok with the n/t u will spend about the same on the motor getting rebuilt and if you look around u will def find a kit to turbo ur car for atleast $3k..

Im not even going to comment on that.

but guess what... you dont ahve to pay xtra on insurance cause you dont own the turbo model so with in a year or 2 your gonna save on havin the non turbo model car and still put out very nice hp......

Watch the payments shoot up when they do find out! If they don't drop you first. You ask how would they find out? Well, (God forbid) what if you got in a accident?

Originally posted by 97ClipseDSM
The easiest way i see it to make your RS fast would be to do a 4g63 swap. I would never keep a 420A motor in my RS... Get a 4g63 engine and than turbo it. There, your RS is fast now.

You were doing so good until you posted this! Guess how much that would cost? Yup, the same as a factory turbo DSM.

Thank you, come again.


P.S. Just to let you guys know, Im not bashing NTs (I use to own one). Just giving the cold hard facts. If you're wanting to spend that much money on a NT, then I guess thats your cup of tea.

 

[joeshoaf]

idc, theres plnety of rs's out there that can smoke gst's or gsx's that have been rebuilt and turbo.. once rebuilt right that motor can handle well more boost than a gst or gsx motor... just cause u have a gst dosnt mean u never have to rebuild that motor, its gonna need to be done any ways, so if you have a rs then why sell it then buy something your gonna have to pay somebody to rebuild the motor any ways after time. ive looked for gst's for a while and all i found was already messed with gst's with atleast 75k on the motor, after 100k that motor is getting kinda wore out. anyways i dont like leather interior, done want that crap sticking to me in the summer. but if i find a red gst with 50k miles or less on it with black and tan interior and been drove by some old man that dont have ne clue what the car is, ill be sure to check it out..

 

[97ClipseDSM]

You were doing so good until you posted this! Guess how much that would cost? Yup, the same as a factory turbo DSM.

Thank you, come again.





Hey, What i meant was that if theyve spent more than $4000 already on there RS, they might as well keep it and Spend even a leg and arm more cause theve already screwed up. Personally my oppinion, JUST sell your RS now before its too late and buy a GST or GSX. There is still time, and for the person that is talking about GST's or GSX's having alot of miles, can you say the same for people who have 90K+ miles on there RS or GS that are still talking about buying a hahn stage 2 turbo kit??? You will find GST's and GSX's that have close or more than 200k miles on the original motor yet still pulling hard, so dont give mileage as your excuse. Just admit that selling your eclipse at a good price that would benefit you would be complicated since its a nonturbo and most people dont want to buy a nonturbo.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

By the way, i threw my car on Autotrader.com and i sold my car in 6 days flat. yes, 6 Days flat. I think its well worth it to pay $25 for the "run till it sells" ad...eventually some ### 15 year old kid who has been watching Fast and the furious and thinks hes the next brian spilner Might be interested in your car. Then again most 15 year olds care wayyy too much about looks. Thats what happened to me, a 15 year old kid was so worried about how his friends had nice looking hooked up cars that he wanted to buy my RS because I hooked it up. 5 days later he started talking about putting a turbo in it and how he wished he would have bought a GSX....i just laughed.

And to comment on the person who said youve seen RS's smoke GST's and GSX's...i bet that GST was laughing how he spent so much $ on the RS....but think of this..your breaking an arm and leg to get 260 ponies,,im supposing you would have to spend about $5000 to get 260 ponies and do all the internals and stuff...look at the GST..210 Horsepower..you can easily spent about $1500 maybe more maybe less...i dk... and get that much power..so basically if your a RICH daddys boy..your more than welcome to waste your money and hook up your RS...you will regret it later...JUST like i did when i spent all that money on my car and still got smoked by family sedans..and nothing feels better knowing you have factory power windows, power locks, cruise control, all the stuff a GST and GSX hell some of the stuff even a GS has..Just sell your RS before its too late but than again..if you have the "i dont care ill spend $ on my RS" attitude..than oh well. Just look at my previous posts about a month ago how i was desperately trying to sell my RS on dsmtuners.com "for sale page"..if u dont believe me.

So in the end, if your going for looks and have a hatred for performance than it would be best to buy a nonturbo but if you want Performance, buy a GST or a GSX.

 

[ECLIPSE95]

I'll still keep my RS..I've already put some money into my car and I think I would never sell it...I just talked to a broker about getting a Eagle Talon TSI AWD or a Eclipse GSX..I know I want AWD drive for better traction...here's how I see it..use my RS as a daily driver..and why not its cool looking and insurance is low on it too..and I'll have a second car on the weekends that could kill an STi and with little money like 3,000 bucks I could have a nice 12 second car..unlike 7 or 8 thousand for a nice 12 second RS which probably wouldn't happen anyways..but having two cars would be nice too

 

[97ClipseDSM]

So how much are you gonna buy a GSX for?? I would go with an Eclipse over a Talon because it looks better and in my oppinion is faster, not to say talons look bad, TSI AWD are great cars but the GSX is still quicker than a talon TSI. The Newer Talon TSI AWD look awesome in my oppinion but most people these days think of eclipses as "trash" because most of the ones they race and rape are the n/t ones and they dont realize that the GST and GSX are no joke, so ID say buy a GSX since you like AWD and show them what an Eclipse GOTS.

 

[GSGoinFast]

What about the satisfaction of knowing that you took a slow ass car and made it into something to be proud of with just a little hard work?

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by GSGoinFast
What about the satisfaction of knowing that you took a slow ass car and made it into something to be proud of with just a little hard work?

97ClipseDSM was just giving his personal experience, he never stated not to be proud of your work on a NT. He actually supported the thought of your willing to spend that much money on a NT.

I never discouraged the thread starter, I was just giving him the facts. He has already stated he will keep his NT and I never objected otherwise. All I simply said was "then I guess thats your cup of tea".

Originally posted by joeshoaf
idc, theres plnety of rs's out there that can smoke gst's or gsx's that have been rebuilt and turbo.. once rebuilt right that motor can handle well more boost than a gst or gsx motor...

The 4G63T can handle 400-450hp (crank) on the stock block, why would you compare the two if one has to be rebuilt with forged internals? Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

just cause u have a gst dosnt mean u never have to rebuild that motor, its gonna need to be done any ways

My engine was rebuilt before I bought it and currently has around 9k. There people who rebuild/swap the engines for their reasons and then decide to sell the car, believe it or not.

so if you have a rs then why sell it then buy something your gonna have to pay somebody to rebuild the motor any ways after time.

Can't do the labor yourself?

ive looked for gst's for a while and all i found was already messed with gst's with atleast 75k on the motor, after 100k that motor is getting kinda wore out. anyways i dont like leather interior, done want that crap sticking to me in the summer.

You know, they made other models than the GST (ex. GSX, TSi, TSi AWD). Not all of them came with leather.

but if i find a red gst with 50k miles or less on it with black and tan interior and been drove by some old man that dont have ne clue what the car is, ill be sure to check it out..

Good luck with that.

 

[big green]

Why do you care what WRX STI drivers say? I know I dont care what the 4g63's guys say about my car.

If you already have an n/t keep it. Its more then worthy to mod. Just dont keep it n/a. Give it a turbo or some nitrous. We get close to 250ish hp with only 10 psi.

I would never own a 4g63 FWD, if you want to make a ton of power why start with wrong wheel drive?

 

[joeshoaf]

if you have a rs, keep the crap, you cant sell it and get much out of it.. if you did sell it with 100k on motor you might get 4-5k out of it. a gst or gsx with 100k on motor are gonna run prob around 7-8k.. now lets get it right turbo guys.. they made waaay more n/t then they did gst's or gsx's. not every fool in america can have a gst or gsx cause they want it.. i have a rs that has 3k in mods and theres no way i can get 8k out of that car. the next thing if i had a stock block on a gst pushing 400-450hp to the crank, i wouldnt be so sure how long that motor would hold up.. me i dont care to have 400 hp.. i dont race my car cause if you race your car foreal your gonna be spending big money either freakin way always breaking stuff.. if your into racing that motor is gonna be rebuilt, everything will be redone. so dont b/s thinkin putting out 400-500hp in a stock motor dont cost a couple thousand dollars. i know a guy witha eclipse gsx right now i met a few weeks back that has 500hp and that car dont sound worht a crap with the race cams in it but he says he has $15k under that hood and that motor was built and labor all him self.. go figure.. if you wanna do real racing you better be thinking money.. but someone like me 225hp will suit me just fine. i ahve a dad thats been a mechanic for 30 years, me and him will rebuild it, prob could get it done to hold to 10-12psi for about 2k and turbo kit wont cost me more than 2k... so for 9k in a rs i can have more hp than a gst on a fresh motor.. gst and gsx are just a prestige thing.. if your a real racer or real person with cars you can make the n/t motor work.. me i got stuck with this rs, cuase me at 19 dont have credit and parents wont sign so i took this car from my bro cause i couldnt pick and choose what i wanted. but the gsx are some nice cars for racing with awd, if i could find a gsx i could get for a good price i would get that but i ahvnt seen gsx for sale in a long time..

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by joeshoaf
if you have a rs, keep the crap, you cant sell it and get much out of it.. if you did sell it with 100k on motor you might get 4-5k out of it. a gst or gsx with 100k on motor are gonna run prob around 7-8k.. now lets get it right turbo guys.. they made waaay more n/t then they did gst's or gsx's.

How can you make that statement with no proof?

the next thing if i had a stock block on a gst pushing 400-450hp to the crank, i wouldnt be so sure how long that motor would hold up..

If you know what you are doing, It'll hold up for a nice amount of time.

me i dont care to have 400 hp.. i dont race my car cause if you race your car foreal your gonna be spending big money either freakin way always breaking stuff.. if your into racing that motor is gonna be rebuilt, everything will be redone. so dont b/s thinkin putting out 400-500hp in a stock motor dont cost a couple thousand dollars.

How am I BSing? Some people's goal are to hit around the 400hp mark, which the stock block can hold. After that, its up to the owner. No, a stock engine doesn't cost a "couple thousand dollars", but it does cost to maintain it.

i know a guy witha eclipse gsx right now i met a few weeks back that has 500hp and that car dont sound worht a crap with the race cams in it but he says he has $15k under that hood and that motor was built and labor all him self.. go figure..

Ok, so HE decided to build his engine to handle 500+ and I clearly stated the stock block could handle 400-450.

...prob could get it done to hold to 10-12psi for about 2k and turbo kit wont cost me more than 2k... so for 9k in a rs i can have more hp than a gst on a fresh motor

I would hope so, since you're comparing a RS with 9k worth of work with a stock 4G63T. Now, give the 4G63T owner 9k and you'll be seeing low 12 Hi 11 1/4mile passes. What NT can do that?

me i got stuck with this rs, cuase me at 19 dont have credit and parents wont sign so i took this car from my bro cause i couldnt pick and choose what i wanted. but the gsx are some nice cars for racing with awd, if i could find a gsx i could get for a good price i would get that but i ahvnt seen gsx for sale in a long time..

Good to know.

 

[ECLIPSE95]

actually I am now trying to sell my car after thinking about it and going for a GSX..I have about 6,500..but I'll see what I can get for mine first then I'll buy a GSX..I just can't get the power out of my car with the money that I have...

 

[joeshoaf]

man just f--k it u idiot, i stated clearly after buying a rs for about 5k and 4k into the motor after rebuilt it can claerly have more hp then a gst u buy..im f--king right down tired of everybody trash talkin the 420a motor. some ppl are not so gd fortunate to have a gst or gsx and maybe some ppl wanna do alittle diff and fix up the 420a motor, if u have a gst or gsx and you like it well good for you but dont come on the d-nm non-turbo forums telling everybody to get rid of thier rs or gs and go with gst because everybody is sick of the sh-t...sorry to be so blunt but shut up for once..

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Did we pinch somebodys nerve?? Look, im not trashing 420A or your so called "more horsepower than a GST or a GSX RS", all i was saying is telling my personal experiences with an RS, fine, if you want to spend a whole lot of money and supe up your RS, your more than welcome to..nobody here said that RS's dont have potential to be fast..they certainly do..but all i was trying to point out was save yourself some money and buy a GSX or GST and start off fresh because modding it will be a hell of alot easier than modding a 420A..so dont start getting mad just because ECLIPSE95 wants to sell his RS, he is making the right decision and now he has realized he doesnt have enough money laying out there that he can spend it all on his 420A motor..buying a GST will be a convenient way to get alot of power and save money..and ECLIPSE95 knows that. He is making the same decision i made 14 days ago when i sold my RS and bought a GST because i could not afford to spend a leg and an arm on an RS.

Nuff said

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by joeshoaf
man just f--k it u idiot,

If you have a problem with me, PM me. DO NOT make public.

i stated clearly after buying a rs for about 5k and 4k into the motor after rebuilt it can claerly have more hp then a gst u buy

I keep replying to this because you're comparing a modified car to a completely stock car. Why are you doing so?

..im f--king right down tired of everybody trash talkin the 420a motor.

Who was trash talking about the 420a?

dont come on the d-nm non-turbo forums telling everybody to get rid of thier rs or gs and go with gst because everybody is sick of the sh-t...

Show me the post where I told the thread starter and other members to drop their NT and get a turbo DSM.

...sorry to be so blunt but shut up for once..

No.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

By the way ECLIPSE95, i got $6400 for my RS and it had 73k miles on it. It also has some damage to the car such as a few dings, and some mild scracthes. The front of my hood was also a little banged up, just minorly banged up, one side of the hood would stick up about 3mm. I still managed to get $6400 out of it. Throw your car on Autotrader, youll most likely sell it within a few weeks. I sold mine is 6 days flat. About 7 people called to come down and take a look but the first person that showed up, threw in the cash and took MY Rs home.

Good luck ECLIPSE95....i hope you find yourself a nice GSX. You deserve it because you tried hard to work on your RS just like me..but you realized it isnt worth it..now you deserve a GSX