Can I use a 95 Cam Angle Sensor on a 6 bolt

[ronnievermilion]

I have a 95 Talon that has a full 6 bolt swap that was done to it when I bought it.

My question is can I use a 95 Cam Angle Sensor or newer on my current 91 6 bolt block and head setup ?

Would I be able to do so ?

Would their be any benefits if I dis do this ?

 

[gofer]

I have a 95 Talon that has a full 6 bolt swap that was done to it when I bought it.

My question is can I use a 95 Cam Angle Sensor or newer on my current 91 6 bolt block and head setup ?

Would I be able to do so ?

Would their be any benefits if I dis do this ?

1. No.
2. No.
3. No.

A 2g ECU is looking for two signals, one from the crank position sensor (CPS) and one from the cam angle sensor (CAS). The 1g's only had a CAS, no CPS signal was ever sent to the ECU.
That being said, when you install a 1g CAS on a 2g you wire it into both the CAS/CPS wiring so the ECU gets both signals. If you were to try to revert back to a '95 CAS you'd be able to get it wired up and mounted however, you'd have to modify the 7-bolt oil pump to work on a 6-bolt block to use the CPS since the '95 CAS can't send both signals to the ECU.

Besides all of that it wouldn't benefit you in anyway and the '95-'96 CAS is a PITA to ever replace because it sits behind the intake cam gear. Most '95-'96 owners convert to run a 1g CAS just because its isn't a PITA to replace later when it fails, even if they don't have a 6-bolt under the hood.

How do you know you've got a 6-bolt?

 

[LiquidX]

1. 
   [If you were to try to revert back to a '95 CAS you'd be able to get it wired up and mounted however, you'd have to modify the 7-bolt oil pump to work on a 6-bolt block to use the CPS since the '95 CAS can't send both signals to the ECU.

1. 
   
   This is the procedure required to have a 7 bolt pump work on a 6 bolt which would allow the use of the CPS and then you could use the stock CAS as well after mounting it properly.
   
   6 Bolt Motor Install Into a 2G Eclipse
   
   The only benefit to using both the 2g CAS + CPS is better accuracy for the ECU. When switching over to a since 1g CAS both the CAS and CPS signal is produces from the 1g CAS which is a reason why you would often get a random misfire code. ECMLink easily turns off that code however.
   
   The benefit to the 1g CAS though is adjustable base timing unlike the 2g setup which is fixed.

 

[ronnievermilion]

When I bought the car I found out that the motor jumped timing. So I pulled the motor and had it rebuilt at a motor shop and that is when I knew for sure I had a six bolt. The kid I bought the car from told me it was a 6 bolt but I would have never know till I had a buddy come over and look at it. Plus the flywheel had 6 bolts on it as well as the extra crank that came with the car had 6 bolt holes in it.

I was not sure if I could put a 98 or 99 CAS to stop the random miss fires

 

[LiquidX]

You would be good to get ECMLink for tuning especially seeing that you have a 95 ECU which is most likey EPROM alreay. If you decide other wise you could fork the money over for this
EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts - Kiggly Racing 6-Bolt Crank Trigger Sensor

 

[Tanro]

Guys... Really this needs to be stickied.

You can use the Front Case from the Hyundai Elantra with the six bolt, it has the provision for a 2g Crank Angle Sensor.

 

[LiquidX]

Huh, that's news to me (first I've heard about it). Do you have a link for it at all or a picture?

 

[ronnievermilion]

Yes I plan to get the DSM Link this spring and I do have a Eprom ECU. It need to have the socket adapter but on by the guys at ECM but that hole set up is like 500 bucks.

I seen the CTS by Kiggly before but was not to sure as to what it really was and how it would play into my setup. now that I know what it is I wish I would have got one of those when I had the motor out and put one one after the motor got rebuilt.

Would it be good or wise if I was to add the Kiggly CTS after I have gotten my DSM Link and got things running nice ?

 

[gofer]

6 Bolt Motor Install Into a 2G Eclipse

WTF Someone actually went through the trouble, I didn't even know that write-up existed. As I suspected though, it looks like a PITA and most of the information in the write-up isn't complete so if you tried doing it you'd be winging it.

I never thought about running the Kiggly trigger sensor, thats a good idea actually if your wanting to do something like this. I think if its something you'd absolutely want to do the $200 is money well spent, no modifying or hoping you did things correctly.

Good info Scott, I'm always down for learning new things too.

You can use the Front Case from the Hyundai Elantra with the six bolt, it has the provision for a 2g Crank Angle Sensor.

All kinds of good info flying around this thread if this is true too!?!? Maybe not a sticky but a write-up in the tech articles showing the different options would be a good idea.

 

[LiquidX]

I couldn't agree more with that suggestion. Just a write up of all the possible solutions for the 6 bolt for sensor combinations and how they would need to be used and the parts needed.

The RRE write up does seem old and not very complete but I think it's supposed to be more of a template to so the machinist can get the measurements between the case and block.

 

[Tanro]

I wouldn't trust my self to do the RRE method. And I wouldn't really want to pay a machinist to do either. Its a good option for someone who has the skills and resources to machine a standard six bolt front case. Or possibly machine a seven bolt front case to fit.

But IMO either just using a conversion harness so you can have adjustable base timing, or using the Elantra front case if you dont have any need to adjust base timing are the best 2 options currently available.