cams

[98eclipsekidd08]

i am new with all this and was wondering if anyone has some good suggestions on a set of cams for my 98 eclipse rs n/t. whats a good brand for a good cost.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Crower cams
or
Crane cams

both are good companys.

What are you looking for?
What mods do you have?
I dont suggest doing cams if you do not have any supporting mods yet
400-600 is about what you will spend on a set of cams

 

[bullettdsm]

Crower 2's

MB

 

[dr1665]

Crower 2s

X2.

You will need upgraded springs, lifters, and followers to safely use any cams worth having. Do not waste your money on a "stage I" cam. Barely noticeable.

Crower is known for "smarter" grinds, but Crane is known for "gentler" grinds. It has to do with the duration figures.

The Chevy guys aren't all that bad...

 

[Blackclipse620]

I have a question about stage one. I was planing to eventually put a stage one head and stage one cams in. Would it be worth it. I'm not planing on turboing my car. I also want to put a new I'm and fuel rail with it. Should i just stay stock or will this be a good addition to my bolt ons? Again i have no plans to turbo. ( then without a turbo would it be good to go stage two head and stage two cams?) I would figure since i wasn't turboing Stage 2 wouldn't be a good idea? Whats your thoughts?

 

[98eclipsekidd08]

Crower cams
or
Crane cams

both are good companys.

What are you looking for?
What mods do you have?
I dont suggest doing cams if you do not have any supporting mods yet
400-600 is about what you will spend on a set of cams

i dont have anyonther mods yet. I was planning on the crower stage 2 cams and then when i have the money doing JE Pistons and Eagle rods. I am not planning on turboing my car just want to make it a little quicker. good? bad? any suggestions? or what should i do before cams

 

[link16]

i dont have anyonther mods yet. I was planning on the crower stage 2 cams and then when i have the money doing JE Pistons and Eagle rods. I am not planning on turboing my car just want to make it a little quicker. good? bad? any suggestions? or what should i do before cams

JE pistons and Eagle rods....

That is far from "Just a little quicker." That is a whole darn rebuild. At this point either talk to us about turbo or talk to Mark about the best way to build a N/T speedster.

 

[98eclipsekidd08]

yeah i want to make it fast, and rebuild just no turbo. what would be the best way to go at this, what should i do first?

 

[bullettdsm]

OK, lets see if I can keep track (a couple of conversations going on).

98eclipsekidd; I'm fond of the Crower 2's. Give you a little more pop in the top end. Idle is not wacked out. As for upgraded springs, I disagree with the DR on this one. I specifically still run stock valve train set-up with my Crower's. They have gone to 8500 bunches of times (I run a current 8200 redline) with plenty of miles on them (I put miles on them before the most recent rebuild which has over 9k on it). I will be upgrading to Crower springs when I go Crower 3's.

I like JE's. Pretty hardy piston and not too costly.

Blackeclipse; I wouldn't bother with the fuel rail (unless you're looking for the "bling"). Won't help. As for the IM, I have yet to see one that I like and it certainly would not help you without some major engine work. IMO, just polishing up the interior of the intake and adding a TB (maybe a 53 or 55mm with a port match) would be helpful. I would also look at bringing down those injector humps a little (inside the IM) while you're there. As far as head work, honestly, I wouldn't touch the head until you have put some heavy upgrades in. In reference to the stages; I don't know what stage one, two, three,......sixteen, WTF really means. Go with more a product specific reference.

And my advice for the first mod to make power, MSnS (or if 97 5sp AFX/ECU will do). The stock ecu is your biggest obstacle to overcome. You can make changes etc. and they will help you, but that damned ecu will fight you all the way.

Hope this helps,

MB

 

[98eclipsekidd08]

bullett dsm, thanks this will help me out alot. so you are saying i should upgrade the ecu first then do the cams but i dont need to upgrade valve spring with them.

 

[Blackclipse620]

Well i was checking into parts to upgrade. Here is what i found in regards to the head and cams,fuel rail, and im. Check it out and tell me what you thing.
Head- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=91&cat=154&page=1
Cams- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=10&cat=158&page=1
Rail- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=130&cat=196&page=1
Im- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=138&cat=201&page=1

 

[bullettdsm]

bullett dsm, thanks this will help me out alot. so you are saying i should upgrade the ecu first then do the cams but i dont need to upgrade valve spring with them.

Yup. Along with the TB and, of course, headers of some sort. I used E-Bay's. Gotta be able to flow the air in and out. But I'm not sure what kind of support you have in the area for MSnS. Best to read up on it. Start here;

http://www.megamanual.com/

and search on 2gnt.com

Well i was checking into parts to upgrade. Here is what i found in regards to the head and cams,fuel rail, and im. Check it out and tell me what you thing.
Head- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=91&cat=154&page=1
Cams- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=10&cat=158&page=1
Rail- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=130&cat=196&page=1
Im- http://www.ci-motorsports.net/xcart41/product.php?productid=138&cat=201&page=1

Blackclipse; Could be a little dangerous going with CI. Do a little search on them and make your decision based on that. That being said, the "stage 1" head they show sounds about right. Slight P +P with stainless valves (but I would go with a 5 angle. Not that important). The price seems a little high to me. My machine shop would do that for much less. A set of PEP's you can get for around $150, the rest most capable machine shops can do.

Crower 1's aren't much better than stock. I don't think the cost warrents the gain. I'd stick with the 2's or stock. But that's your call.

Fuel rail, um yeah, right . It's bling and only bling.

The OBX intake I would like to leave up to others who have tried it, I have seen it and the quality is low, the fitment is a problem and I'd be surprised if you saw any gains NA. While the OBX gets a lot of abuse on the forums (probably for good reason), I honestly haven't tried it. I believe that a well made intake mani will help us when there are the supporting mods, but it's gonna be more in the top end, than low end response. But it sure is shiney .

Keep in mind that this is only my opinion based on my research and experience. I have done a bit of my own R + D but it is limited to my time and funds . In addition, it is my strong belief that the first thing to do is free up that ECU.

MB

 

[Blackclipse620]

I have one other question. Since i am not going to turbo, would the stage two cams still run good in my car?

 

[BigRand]

okay man, its time to really go and do some research here, go look at crowers website, they do a pretty good job of explaining what cam is good for what, and I believe they have cams designed for NA applications, Turbo applications and nitrious applications all with different stages. With that said, do some reading, come back with a part number, and maybe someone who's tried that one can give you some major insight.

One more thing, if your gonna stick with NA, and based on your mods

IMO::::::I would scrap the Jet chip, hang on to my stock coil pack because the msd one WILL (IMO) fail at somepoint. Do some major research on MS, slap that bad boi in and dial in your Cam gears with your new cams and ported head.

Throw in a fuel pump/fpr/ and bigger injectors with the MS and tune away (don't forget the wideband.)