big rod motor safe crank hp

[na90dsm]

its gonan be more liek a street warrior then a dd. i mean ill drive it daily but not normal daily driving. ill drive it to basically street race and get from point a to b as fast as possible.

 

[Black94TSI]

You arn't going to make 500 WHP safely on a 2.0 or 2.4 without race gas, or methanol injection.

 

[na90dsm]

whats the highest i can make on pump safely. then ill go from there. everywhere i turn people tell me knwo so how about this.

what would be good for the highest hp i can make on pump gas.

 

[PieTSI]

What? Are you asking if 2.0-2.4L's+20psi+pump gas = 500whp? I doubt you'll see that on any turbo.

Dre made 503hp on a 50trim turbo and pump gas. But he also has a lot of knowhow.

 

[na90dsm]

is he on here. id liek to take a look at his mod list. i may just get a 50 trim and be done with it.

 

[noreaga0221]

is he on here. id liek to take a look at his mod list. i may just get a 50 trim and be done with it.

Nothing too exciting except master tuning of his aem ems. (cams, fmic, dre-spec 50 trim from agp, forged motor) Will you ever come close to 500whp? no. 400hp? no. Dre has spent countless hours tuning his whole set up to get that power.

 

[na90dsm]

how do you knwo i will never get to 400hp. wtf is this. everyoen on here talks liek the other guy is a idiot for christ sake. i knwo basic tuning and can get more in depth in a heart beat and if i had my car allready id be tuning it now.

can soemone give me a serious answer for once please. im tryign to ask a serious question and im gettin ### answers with no backign to them. all i do is get shut down and denyed the fact that ill be able to make this hp.

 

[noreaga0221]

Never said you were an idiot. Just too many people living pipe dreams.. Wanna run 10's? guess what, you gotta run 13's first.

 

[na90dsm]

i could do that in a n/t. i have a very good amount of knowledge on this setup as i have read a lot on it. all im askign is any suggestions on a good number above 400hp i can support with pump gas. i want to run as much hp as possible on pump gas and im wondering what turbo i can use to do this. granted ill have to do a lot of tuning but im fully aware of this and when that time comes ill do it.

for now im looking for suggesions and aids to guide me in the right dirrection

 

[noreaga0221]

Well you should invest in aem ems. You can't run alot of timing with alot of boost on pump gas.

 

[na90dsm]

i heard a bunch of negetive things on the ems, maps lost and it forgetting htings periodically. there is a thread on it in the extreme tuner section. i was thinkin about the dsm link for the 1g but havent heard anythign on that also. i heard from a few local tuners that the haltech uses not so good sensors and to stay away.

i also heard the electromotive is a nice unit. i have heard nothing but good things about that. but then again im on a tight budget at the moment and i wouldnt be lookign into full engine management till abotu summer time. bottom end first.

how has hsi ems worked tou so far. i knwo there awesome for tuning but with every negative thign ive heard id rather get electromotive.

i have read a lot on ecu's in the past few months, one thing i read a lot about

 

[noreaga0221]

Try proof reading what you type. It makes it easier for others to read.


Also form your own opinion on aem ems. http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=34

 

[Black94TSI]

Dre made 503hp on a 50trim turbo and pump gas. But he also has a lot of knowhow.

Dre also runs/ran about 5 degrees of timing, and must see absolutely epic EGT's. Looks nice on paper, but it's not a car that I would want to rely on for my daily driver.

 

[na90dsm]

Try proof reading what you type. It makes it easier for others to read.


Also form your own opinion on aem ems. http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=34

i read a few posts on there about iac setups and it was soem serious stuff. all in all the info from ti seems good but ive heard from people it forgets stuff. im not all about spending that moey on stuff that will forget what ive done. im looking into dsmlink and seeing abotu goin that route.


also that iac thread on that ste was insane. very very tech stuff

 

[GPTourer]

Dre made 503hp on a 50trim turbo and pump gas. But he also has a lot of knowhow.

Well, okay - that's why I said "doubt." Somebody like Dre doesn't come to here for advice, so I'm thinking na90DSM will be hard pressed to equal or better his results. Plus, even though I'm not an advanced tuner by any stretch of the imagination, my experience with cars in general tells me that a 503 pump gas DSM is a science project that probably wouldn't be that desirable for a guy that wants a "street warrior" for a car.

 

[bastarddsm]

i could do that in a n/t. i have a very good amount of knowledge on this setup as i have read a lot on it. all im askign is any suggestions on a good number above 400hp i can support with pump gas. i want to run as much hp as possible on pump gas and im wondering what turbo i can use to do this. granted ill have to do a lot of tuning but im fully aware of this and when that time comes ill do it.

for now im looking for suggesions and aids to guide me in the right dirrection

Basically what it all boils down to is if your asking these sorts of questions on here, and you don't know the ansers to them then you have no idea what it takes to run in the tens, let alone a 13. Have you ever gone to a real drage race and watched some on e who was fast? you know waht you'll see? you'll see the crew chief runnin around with a notebook, takin note on everything that they changed and the results. that way they know what will do what to the car. You don't see them askin questions on a internet message board full of idiots who claim they've run in the 10's, on a stock fuel system.

 

[PieTSI]

Well, okay - that's why I said "doubt." Somebody like Dre doesn't come to here for advice, so I'm thinking na90DSM will be hard pressed to equal or better his results. Plus, even though I'm not an advanced tuner by any stretch of the imagination, my experience with cars in general tells me that a 503 pump gas DSM is a science project that probably wouldn't be that desirable for a guy that wants a "street warrior" for a car.

Right thats why I said he has a lot of knowhow. Making 500hp on a 50trim is a longshot but it is possible.

But if NA90DSM thinks he is an expert tuner let him think that. I have i have a few friends with blown motors that also thought the same.

 

[na90dsm]

just wanted opnions, and i could run 12's with a n/a but way out of my budget, and dont wanna run race gas.

all i wanted was opnions for guidance from people who have been down this road before for guidline purposes so i had some sort of clue what i was looking for. no t that i dotn allready but was looking more for tips on turbo choice.

 

[Endz0r]

12's on an NA? i thought the fastest N/A was like 15 flat...

 

[na90dsm]

fastest n/a period made 350-400hp and ran 9.98 in a crx. put a 4g63 in a mirage with itb setup and 14:0:1 compression and crower sever race cams and youll have a 2200lb car that will run 12's any given day with slicks.

fastest n/a 4g63 has yet to be determined because nobody posts any damn time slips. none have been recorded to contest with the record

 

[PieTSI]

Actually no one bothers to go fast in an N/A dsm because its already setup for a turbo, and its so much easier to get power out of.
But going NA and going turbo are to seperate types of builds so I don't see why they matter.
I highly doubt the crx had 400 whp without nitrous. Most NA honda's I see running 10's have weights around 1200lbs. and have around 250hp.
And 14.0:1 compression pistons will detonate bigtime if run on pump gas.

 

[GPTourer]

Actually no one bothers to go fast in an N/A dsm because its already setup for a turbo, and its so much easier to get power out of.

I agree. Most of Mitsu's development for the 4G63 went to turbos - it would be an interesting project, but I don't think you be able to jump right in and be competitive with the Hondas running that kind of setup. Mitsus answer to the B16A was the 1.6L 4G93? I think. It was supposed to have like 173+hp from the factory with its MIVEC head and high compression.

But I digress.

I'd say go big with a 4G64 block and a 67mm turbo and a 50 shot.

 

[na90dsm]

Actually no one bothers to go fast in an N/A dsm because its already setup for a turbo, and its so much easier to get power out of.
But going NA and going turbo are to seperate types of builds so I don't see why they matter.
I highly doubt the crx had 400 whp without nitrous. Most NA honda's I see running 10's have weights around 1200lbs. and have around 250hp.
And 14.0:1 compression pistons will detonate bigtime if run on pump gas.

n/a hondas are well past that hp on all motor. i had a turbo mag ill dig otu and find the issue number where there is a all motor car runnign about 400-425hp with nitrous and runnign almost 3 without. but i see what your sayign in being allready setup for a turbo

i opted for the big rod bottom end because the n/a pistons dont have stregnth in the ring lands like the turbo pistons. i wanted this to be a little stronger then a stock bottom end which its abotu the same imo. both strong anyway.