Big 16g Questions

[lucid15]

So i just purchased a used Big 16g for $50. It needs rebuilding, owner says new seals because the oil leaks into the hotside causing it to smoke. Fins all look good in pictures. I just need help on a few things:
1)Will my stock side-mount be sufficient for the Big 16g?
2)Also, i know i need a bigger fuel pump, 190 with walbro install kit needed?
3)650's injectors sufficient?
4)stock 2g manifold ok?
5)Is it safe to buy an ebay 16g install kit? why? why not?
6)How much does it usually cost and where should i take my turbo to get rebuilt, and should i get it ported?
7) I have the keydiver chip (which has been awesome thus far) will it correctly work with all of the above?
Thanks.

 

[lucid15]

Yup just filed a dispute through paypal.

 

[JusMX141]

Don't escalate it to a claim unless he doesn't agree to give your money back. At this point you're basically fighting for an item that is significantly not as described. Tell him to run the part number if he doesn't believe you that it's a 14B.

Otherwise, a 14B is a great starter turbo....but you can buy 14B's that need new seals all day long for the same price. You didn't really get ripped off price-wise as the going rate for rebuildable 14B's is quite similar, but then again you thought you were buying a Big 16G so this is a case of an uneducated buyer meeting an uneducated seller I suppose.

 

[lucid15]

well hes been unresponsive for a day now. Is there a large difference between the small and big 16g?

 

[JusMX141]

2 lb/min or so of peak airflow, and 300-400 rpms of lag.

 

[lucid15]

So, the user is now saying the pics were from his 14b that he also sold and is claiming that the product i bought is indeed a big 16g. I guess we will see for sure when it arrives. Hopefully if it will be better than my T-25.

 

[dsm-onster]

So basically he screwed up and put the wrong turbo in the box. And some other guy got lucky and bought a 14b but got a 16g. Still his problem and he needs to fix it. Product is significantly different than described. But again like Justin said, you'll get a 14b with the same issues for the same price all day long. It's up to you whether you want him to refund you and give him the turbo back or use the 14b which is about a 100whp potential upgrade to the stock t25.

 

[lucid15]

If it shows up to be a 14b ill take it, 16g, even better. While on the subject, what all do i need to install the 16g/14b, people have told me i do not have to buy the $200 install kit. I plan on putting either of these turbos on my sidemount intercooler, if that makes a difference. Also, If i buy ev0 8 injectors i will need a new set of o-rings, correct? Where can i buy them? I see extreme PSI sells them but they have three options, do i choose the OEM mitsu ones?

 

[LiquidX]

If it shows up to be a 14b ill take it, 16g, even better. While on the subject, what all do i need to install the 16g/14b, people have told me i do not have to buy the $200 install kit. I plan on putting either of these turbos on my sidemount intercooler, if that makes a difference. Also, If i buy ev0 8 injectors i will need a new set of o-rings, correct? Where can i buy them? I see extreme PSI sells them but they have three options, do i choose the OEM mitsu ones?

To install you just need a j-pipe, 1g oil return line (or pushlok/ss drian) and I believe a feed line from the OFH. The water lines on the turbo can be bent to match the 2g lines. You'll be fine using the SMIC. I'm not sure on the injectors but also remember that ExtremePSI while being a great company charges $7.50 on ALL orders. I would check with Street Tuned Motorsports (free shipping) and see if they have the o-rings in question.

 

[JusMX141]

You only need the j-pipe for the compressor outlet and the 1G oil supply line from the head to mount a 14B/16G on your car. Your existing oil drain can be made to work by slotting the two holes toward center slightly.

Make sure you supply this turbo from the head for proper pressure and restriction. There are plenty of guys who run them from the filter housing and get a smokeshow.

 

[LiquidX]

So, the user is now saying the pics were from his 14b that he also sold and is claiming that the product i bought is indeed a big 16g. I guess we will see for sure when it arrives. Hopefully if it will be better than my T-25.

Either one as long as it's not blown or having excessive shaft play is an upgrade over the T-25. The point is, is that you bought what you were informed was a 16g and if you do ge a 14b, it's your call on what you want to do. If it is the wrong one either dispute it and get all your money back or try to get him to refund a portion back (say the shipping cost) because it wasn't what you wanted but you'll take it.

BTW, that was false advertisement on his behalf.

 

[lucid15]

will my sidemount be efficient to boost to 20 psi temporarily? ANd is it ok to buy ebay parts for the lower intercooler pipe/j pipe?

 

[LiquidX]

will my sidemount be efficient to boost to 20 psi temporarily? ANd is it ok to buy ebay parts for the lower intercooler pipe/j pipe?

I would say yes for a couple runs before starting to heat soak however, I don't see any fuel mods on your car so you do NOT want to boost more than 15 psi if you care about keeping your motor.

 

[lucid15]

Well a pump and injectors are on their way . 560 and evo 8 pump be sufficient for the 16g?

 

[LiquidX]

Yes, that'll suffice. Make sure you get your chip reburned for the 560's and look into an AFRP as well. I'm not sure how much the Evo8 fuel pump flows but it's good to have regardless of anything more than stock.

 

[JusMX141]

If it is the wrong one either dispute it and get all your money back or try to get him to refund a portion back (say the shipping cost) because it wasn't what you wanted but you'll take it.

Trouble is once the first dispute is dropped (if the O.P. dropped the dispute once the guy said the turbo was sent), you cannot re-open a dispute on the same item as Paypal considers the case to be closed.

I got fuct like that once on a T25 core; guy told me he had sent it, I never received a thing. About 30 days go by, I file a Paypal claim, he convinces me to close the claim after insisting he received the turbo back from the shipper claiming the address I gave him was no good. In the end, I never received shit from the guy, and Paypal wouldn't let me re-open the claim after it had been closed. I sent the guy weekly hatemail messages for an entire year afterward, and he never responded to a single one.

 

[LiquidX]

Trouble is once the first dispute is dropped (if the O.P. dropped the dispute once the guy said the turbo was sent), you cannot re-open a dispute on the same item as Paypal considers the case to be closed.

I got fuct like that once on a T25 core; guy told me he had sent it, I never received a thing. About 30 days go by, I file a Paypal claim, he convinces me to close the claim after insisting he received the turbo back from the shipper claiming the address I gave him was no good. In the end, I never received shit from the guy, and Paypal wouldn't let me re-open the claim after it had been closed. I sent the guy weekly hatemail messages for an entire year afterward, and he never responded to a single one.

That really sucks. I'm not too familiar with disputes on paypal as I haven't had to file one. I just go by what I've heard other people do. I have a blown T-25 you can get from me if you wnat

As for the OP at least wait until you get the package if you did file the claim. If it is a 14b, tell him you'll drop it if you refund the shipping cost since it wasn't the 16g and it'll be a good thing on his behalf to follow with that.

 

[JusMX141]

I have a blown T-25 you can get from me if you wnat

I don't buy blown T25's because 99.9% of the time a "blown" T25 has insane wheel damage that would cost more to repair than the turbo would sell for once it's rebuilt.

Instead I buy used, undamaged cores that guarantee a good product in the end. Sure you pay a little more than you would for a blown core, but parts for T25's aren't cheap and you can easily get in over your head if you don't play smart.

 

[dsm-onster]

I'm still at a loss as to why anyone would replace a t25 with another t25. Even if you want the same spool speed and could care less about more flow or power, the parts required to install a good 13g is worth it considering you get much better MHI reliability. the 13g is like a t25 with real durability.

 

[JusMX141]

I feel the same, Matt, but some guys really kill for the stock fitment I suppose.

When I used to sell the rebuilt T25's on eBay, about 80% of my buyers were Honda guys....can't count them out.

 

[LiquidX]

I don't buy blown T25's because 99.9% of the time a "blown" T25 has insane wheel damage that would cost more to repair than the turbo would sell for once it's rebuilt.

Instead I buy used, undamaged cores that guarantee a good product in the end. Sure you pay a little more than you would for a blown core, but parts for T25's aren't cheap and you can easily get in over your head if you don't play smart.

That was a joke overall, but I actually do have a blown T-25 up for sale. It does have compressor wheel damage and I'm not sure what else. Haven't torn it apart to find out.

 

[lucid15]

Can i run an EVO VIII pump without an AFPR?

 

[Cassera]

Even if it is a 14b it still will be better than a t-25