best street springs and shocks

[Ludachris]

Really? If thats the case why does anyone buy coil overs? If the koni yellow and eibach kit is better than all of that for 200$+ Less?

Why would anyone buy coil overs then?

When Eibach and Koni are better than Tein at suspension, and they colaborate to make a special spring strut combo for eclipses that some how handle better than coil overs at a lower price let me know I am interested.

Armin

Where is your data supporting the idea that Koni is not better than Tein at suspension engineering? We're just saying that in terms of the shocks available for your car - the Koni is the better engineered option when compared to the coilovers that cost less than $2k (including any option from Tein).

The number one reason DSMers buy cheap coilovers is because 99% of the people out there automatically assume a true coilover is "better" than a shock/perch setup. They disregard the actual quality of the materials and the real world characteristics of the shocks. People like kits they don't have to piece together themselves. It makes them feel like the kit is superior - not always the case. If you read up on suspension information from people in this community that have won championships, you'll learn more about the better quality suspension options.

The second reason DSMers go with cheap coilovers (sub-$2k kits) is because of all the adjustability that they'll never use. It makes them think the product really is for racing. When the reality is, it's mostly a gimmick.

In the end, most of the DSMers who buy coilovers want a simple way to lower their cars and have the ability to change that ride height if they need to. If they were serious about handling they wouldn't consider the cheap coilovers (or lowering springs). They'd use Konis.

 

[Ludachris]

People, we've been over this countless times. Do a search in this forum for my posts or jtmcinder's and you'll see us (and others) explaining the same things over and over:

If you don't care about good handling but want a stiffer, more responsive ride over stock, any lowering springs and any cheap shock will do - or cheap coilovers if you want ride height adjustment. If you want a better ride, go with Konis and lowering springs (if you're on an extreme budget). If you want a very good ride, great handling, and the ability to adjust ride height, go with a Koni with sleeve/perch set up like Ground Control or the one outlined by Dennis Grant - which will be great for the street and also work extremely well for road courses and autocross.

The best shock available for our cars is the Koni, hands down. You can use them with lowering springs if you're on a budget, or use them in a sleeve/perch application (coilovers) to achieve about the best handling you can get out of these cars - beating almost every coilover kit out there for under $2500 or so. I still like the Muellerized JIC kits and Hot-Bits coilovers as a step up from there. If you're really serious about handling/racing and have a huge budget, research Moton and Penske.

 

[dsmspick]

Eibach pro's with monroe sensatracks. Great drop, with no blown struts and still factory like ride quality. If you want a tad stiffer go with kyb gr2's, basically a stock replacement strut.

 

[TWOpointFORliter]

I have a set of d2 coilovers on my car (they came with the shell I bought) and I hate them. I wish I never would have sold my prokit/AGX combo of my doner car since they were a great street setup. They may not have been autoX worthy but they lowered the car 1.5 inches and had a good ride to them. I would trade these coilover for a good shock/spring combo in a heartbeat. The ride quality of my car is now horrible. I can feel every little bump in the road and the larger ones throw me out of my seat. I never had this issue with my prokit/AGX combo and I'm still driving on the same roads.

So from first hand experience with cheap coilover and a decent shock/spring setup I would recomend staying away from the cheap coilovers and go with the shock/spring combo. Just my .02

 

[eclipsh]

You can also build your own DG style setup cheap. I scored a deal on some Tein pillow ball mounts, bought some $20 spring hats and a buddy used his lathe to make me some bushings I designed. My whole DG-style setup cost me less than $800 all said and done. You just have to be patient and keep your eyes open for deals.

 

[mysticj]

I have been researching the 95-00 Sebring(V6 Coupe) suspension, as it is build on the same chassis as the 2G but with stiffer springs and it appears lower than the Avenger/2G/7G Galant. I'll try them out by the end of month to see if the springs will lower my ride. If so, then I'll going to upgrade the shocks.

 

[Cesarlcase]

Damn this is so depressing, any of you have 500 I could borrow? I might need coilovers due to the fact that it snows out here and lifting the car while definitely help me out a bit

 

[jtmcinder]

Do you plan to permanently raise the car or raise and lower it every fall and spring? If the former, then just shim the upper rubber isolator. That will raise the car. If the latter, have you considered the fact that every time you change the height you have to re-align the wheels? Neither the front nor the rear of a 2G has zero bump-toe.

 

[Cesarlcase]

Do you plan to permanently raise the car or raise and lower it every fall and spring? If the former, then just shim the upper rubber isolator. That will raise the car. If the latter, have you considered the fact that every time you change the height you have to re-align the wheels? Neither the front nor the rear of a 2G has zero bump-toe.

I'm a complete noob when it comes to suspension, obviously. I never knew that. I thought it was like you just jack up the car adjust the height and your good to go. If It's that much of a hassle then I guess it makes my decision much easier. I appreciate the info, definitely have to inform some of my other noob friends about that .

 

[jtmcinder]

No problem.

Here's what I'd really suggest if you're worried about ground clearance in the winter: a set of snow tires that are about 10% larger (in diameter) than stock, maybe matched with a set of summer tires that are 5% smaller than stock. Then you can run the same (e.g., stock) height all year round and not deal with alignments.

 

[sbeck]

I like my JIC FLT-TAR coilovers. They feel great on the street at the lowest setting and super tight at higher settings.