2G AUTO TO MANUAL SWAP

[emeracing]

Ok question how hard is it to swap a 97 eclipse gst manual trans in to a 95 talon tsi automatic. And what all will I need from the other car?

 

[bo0st]

Why do you want to go manual? Lots of guys are running quick time's with those auto's.

 

[LidnDom]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/gst-auto-to-manual-swap.385887/

Read through here to get your feet wet

 

[turbogentwo]

Not hard at all; hardest thing for me is drilling out the holes for the master slave cylinder. All 2gs maybe some 1gs have all these holes already preset just need them punched out.

 

[SasaniFab]

wouldn't it be cheaper buying a manual car?

If your doing it for a project more power to you. From my experience working on these cars turns from 1 fix to 100.

 

[emeracing]

wouldn't it be cheaper buying a manual car?

that's the thing I have a eclipse gst manual with a bad motor and other parts wrong with it in my yard so no it wouldn't be cheaper to just buy a manual edition. I just want to know the pros and cons if I switch my auto one out for that manual what the pros and cons on both the auto and the manual

 

[bo0st]

that's the thing I have a eclipse gst manual with a bad motor and other parts wrong with it in my yard so no it wouldn't be cheaper to just buy a manual edition. I just want to know the pros and cons if I switch my auto one out for that manual what the pros and cons on both the auto and the manual

Cons: Manual holds less power on stock tranny.

Pros: Manual is fun to drive.

 

[97 eclenger]

very easy. pull all the auto stuff out, put the flywheel on the engine, put tranny on, put back in the car, run the cable through the auto cable location, take the auto brake pedal assembly out. the 5 speed assembly will bolt right in. the mounts for the clutch is already there. this is the only thing you have to do. the master cylinder for the clutch has 2 holes that need to be drilled out. a large one for the rod and another one for the bolt. on the inside of the car on the firewall, the holes are already pre drilled for you. all you have to do is drill them all the way out. the clutch safety switch wires are already in the harness. just taped up in the harness under the dash. you'd have to pull the dash out to get to these 2 plugs. but you can bypass them. fluid container will bolt right up. just run the clutch line then you're done. its best to get a 5 speed ecu to. they are tuned for the 450cc injectors,

 

[SasaniFab]

This is my 3rd dsm, Ive built Hondas, Subaru etc. Do It only if you love to do it. If you just want a manual car buy one. These cars can be frustrating as shit. One part leads to the next. Its never easy, at least from my experience.

I started with a clutch........now every piece on the car is new

 

[97 eclenger]

this was my first dsm. i was able to rewire the whole car, convert to 5 speed and convert the 2gb front clip to a dodge. it isn't as easy in a gs or rs. mainly a wire harness and speed sensor issue. gst and gsx is very straight forward. its only as hard as you make it

 

[SasaniFab]

Like I said, if you love doing it... more power to you. I think in many cases people start things and don't finish them, especially with dsm's. They are cheap to buy.....But will bend you over when you start buying parts. You buy the car for 3k put 10k in and sell it for 4500 Its a love hate relationship for most.

 

[97 eclenger]

very true. mine is built for me and only me so its not going anywhere. 5 speed is way more fun than a boring auto

 

[emeracing]

very easy. pull all the auto stuff out, put the flywheel on the engine, put tranny on, put back in the car, run the cable through the auto cable location, take the auto brake pedal assembly out. the 5 speed assembly will bolt right in. the mounts for the clutch is already there. this is the only thing you have to do. the master cylinder for the clutch has 2 holes that need to be drilled out. a large one for the rod and another one for the bolt. on the inside of the car on the firewall, the holes are already pre drilled for you. all you have to do is drill them all the way out. the clutch safety switch wires are already in the harness. just taped up in the harness under the dash. you'd have to pull the dash out to get to these 2 plugs. but you can bypass them. fluid container will bolt right up. just run the clutch line then you're done. its best to get a 5 speed ecu to. they are tuned for the 450cc injectors,

is it the same in the talon tsi?

 

[plucky96]

Ill be doing the same swap from my 95gst manual to my 98 gst auto. Anything major i need to look out for please keep me posted. Will start this within 2 weeks and looking forward to it. emeracing let me know the progress of the swap.

 

[97 eclenger]

talon is also the eclipse. just different bumpers and lights. manual to auto is more work. need a tranny cooler, the tcu, auto wire harness unless you can wire up the transmission to work manually which is possible. i have an eprom tcu i'll never use. so. auto includes tranny, flex plate, torque converter, tranny cooler, auto wire harness with a tcu. you can keep the 5 speed ecu in. its scaled for the 450cc injectors instead of the 390cc auto injectors. and fill the master cylinder holes

 

[AlwaysSunnyOhio]

You've gotten some good advice here it's up to you if it's worth it. I bought a turd for $1500. Guy lied about it and every single thing was bad. I recently counted up all of my parts. I'm well over $11,000 into it now. I've seen backwoods mechanic racers take these cars and make some good power. They just hammer and weld and make it work. Then the car ends up in the shredder.

Decide how much you want to spend. If you want a Dsm set 3-4 grand aside and you can find some nice AWD models ready to go. The custom jobs are no longer worth it to me.

*Edit I also want to point out I wasn't expecting to get a mint Dsm for $1500. I just thought it's an okay deal and I can play while I work on it and fix it up. Nope she just takes my money.

 

[darknezz7]

Pretty straight forward

you need:

Brake/clutch pedal assembly and clutch master cyl/reservoir
Manual trans
shifter, base and cables
I think the axles were different
Mounts seemed the same.
Ofc a flywheel and clutch assembly,
Line from master to slave cyl

No hard at all; hardest thing for me is drilling out the holes for the master slave cylinder. All 2gs maybe some 1gs have all these holes already preset just need them punched out.

Use a step drill bit, like $10 fro harbor freight

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[CrackedDSM]

Just to correct some misinformation here, on the 2G DSM's there is no difference ECU, turbo, exhaust manifold, injector, cam, or otherwise, between 5-speed and Auto turbo cars. It was ONLY on the 1G DSMs where you had to worry about this. On 2G's the only difference in ECUs are FWD(limited at 135 electronically), and AWD(not limited).

 

[97 eclenger]

i was wrong about injectors. but doesn't the auto ecu pull timing in high rpm where the tcu would be shifting so it doesn't over rev?

 

[Busterr]

very easy. pull all the auto stuff out, put the flywheel on the engine, put tranny on, put back in the car, run the cable through the auto cable location, take the auto brake pedal assembly out. the 5 speed assembly will bolt right in. the mounts for the clutch is already there. this is the only thing you have to do. the master cylinder for the clutch has 2 holes that need to be drilled out. a large one for the rod and another one for the bolt. on the inside of the car on the firewall, the holes are already pre drilled for you. all you have to do is drill them all the way out. the clutch safety switch wires are already in the harness. just taped up in the harness under the dash. you'd have to pull the dash out to get to these 2 plugs. but you can bypass them. fluid container will bolt right up. just run the clutch line then you're done. its best to get a 5 speed ecu to. they are tuned for the 450cc injectors,

Is it required to swap out any transmission mount brackets? I read through an article it was required but if not that would be cool to know. I am swapping my 99 gs to a manual currently.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

On a 4g63 car, they have different brackets. @BLACK'98DSM , do you happen to remember if the 420s had a different mount from auto to manual like the turbo cars do?

 

[BLACK'98DSM]

Auto or manual, the mount is the same. The car itself is the same and so is the mount. The mount bracket on the transmission may be different, but if you can get a 5 speed with the mount bracket included, you wouldn't have to worry about that.

 

[DirtMcGirt]

The rear roll stopper bracket is different between the auto and manual. There is a very detailed write-up over at 2gnt.com.

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[BLACK'98DSM]

If you shop around for mounts, you get the same results for autos and manuals. I guess the difference is so minute, that manufacturers have deemed it unimportant.