Auto to 5spd, Not sure what to ckeck next!

[baracuda645]

Hi guys. I'm doing an auto to 5spd conversion. On top of that the engine and 5spd tranny are out of a 96 Tsi and i'm trying to put them into a 98 Gst Spyder. I've got the engineand tranny in and I also have the computer out of my 96 installed. I have disconnected the auto tranny control moduale. I have all my sensors hooked up (save for my reverse lights) I was to the point were, I though, she's ready to start. I turned the key and nothing. Well I did get a click sound from under the center console. Its not coming from the ECU, I know that without a doubt. I've also had my starter bench tested it's ok, but I'm not getting a signal to the starter. Now it is my understanding that I have a possible problem with the pins, that they are on the wrong places on there quick connects. I was wondering if this is correct and if someone had run into this problem before. If someone has a diagram of what they are suppose to be, could they share? Thanks for the help!

 

[kwkdsm]

Did he give any details on the reverse lights because i am doing this right now. From reading your post you need to take the Black wire and jumper it to the black wire with silver dashes?
Thanks

 

[baracuda645]

The black wire with a red stripe and the single silver dash to the black wire with the black with with a single dash. That was the jumper i used. I'll try and get a picture posted so you can see. They should be right next to each other.

The reverse lights should be the light blue with a red stripe and the single silver dash. I need to double check that for you. I'll try and post that for you today.

 

[kwkdsm]

Where is this harness located? Do you have any pics?

So for the brakes I need to jumper the Black with a red stripe and single silver dash to black with single silver dash?

And for the reverse I need to jumper the light blue w/red stripe and single silver dash to ???? Does this harness still

plug into the the manual tranny harness or do you need the one from the auto to replace the manuals on the tranny?

If you could help soon I would appreciate it and pics would be great, this is one of the last things I have left.

What did you do about the neutral safety switch? And where is it located?

Thanks,
Jarod

 

[kwkdsm]

So is this the big harness that plugged into the tranny or the big plugs that plug together under the uicp and fuse box on the fender wall? And is there a wire color difference in the 95's because i dont see the blak w yellow stripe wires in either of those connetors, as well as the oors mentioned above, just need to find the corret harness?

 

[kwkdsm]

Ok well it seems no one knows so Iwill just run the wires however I have to to get it running

 

[baracuda645]

My camara has sh*t the bed so i cant get you the pics right now.

red stripe and single silver dash to black with single silver dash?

thats for your starter, not your brakes. Jump that to the black wire with a silver stripe. This jumper is what bypasses your neutral saftey switch.

The black wire with the yellow strip goes to your relay under your dash (comes from your ignition switch). From the relay it leaves to the tranny as the black wire with a red stripe and the single silver dash.

And for the reverse I need to jumper the light blue w/red stripe and single silver dash

Correct

So is this the big harness that plugged into the tranny

Correct, the large harness is also known as the inhibitor. I believe the wires are the same color on the 95. I can check that on my 95 for you to make sure, but they should be the same.

 

[kwkdsm]

Everything works as needed, I figured out relatively quick once I traced the wire colors out from the pinouts. The colors you gave me are definetly not the same on mine. Not sure why there would be a difference but there is. Anyway thanks for your help.

 

[kwkdsm]

n/m , I forgot to finish jumpering something, my own ignorance
Thanks again for the help guys, Really appreciate it!!

 

[Jtromb522]

Hiya! So I am doing the swap as well and I just want to triple check before I start making any jumps because I have read soo many different stories on the net....so when you look at the inhibitor switch on my 1997 Eclipse GSX with the pin-holes facing you, you see the following:


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1.[Blk/Yel Stripe] 2.[Blu/Red Stripe] 3.[Red/Blu Stripe] 4.[Empty]

5.[Blk/Red Stripe] 6.[Solid Blk] 7.[Big Blk/Whi Stripe] 8.[Big Red/Blu Stripe]

9.[Whi/Blk Stripe] 10.[Yel/Blk Stripe] 11.[Solid Yel] 12.[Yel /Red Stripe]
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*Note: Each and every single one of these wires have the silver dashes on them
*Also: Wires 7.[Big Blk/Whi Stripe] and 8.[Big Red/Blu Stripe] are a larger gauge wire
than the rest

#1: So to allow the car to start, you are saying to jump wires 5.[Blk/Red Stripe] and 6.[Solid Blk]? Also, did you remove the clutch pedal switch to allow the car to start without the clutch depressed? If so, did you have to do additional wiring?

#2: For the reverse lights, I am to connect two wires to the reverse switch sensor mounted onto the trans and connect one wire to 2.[Blu/Red Stripe] and the other wire to 6.[Solid Blk]?

#3: Did you keep the A/T ECU in your car and if so, did you have any issues? I could not get the M/T ECU out of the donor car but I heard the A/T works. Any tips?

If you can, please send me a pic of your inhibitor switch? Also, do you know what the other pinouts are for? Do you have a wiring schematic of the inhibitor switch? I have the Chilton manual and I am not sure if I am missing it or if the diagrams are not detailed enough.

Thanks for your help!!! Looking forward to hearing from you!

 

[Jtromb522]

Sorry, the lil diagram I put up didn't keep the format settings so it's not all pretty...but you get the idea!

Thanks!

 

[Jtromb522]

Bump

 

[hellotbone]

This is pretty easy guys.

The large plug that was plugged into the linkage ontop of your auto trans is what is causing the problem of the no start unless you screwed something else up. The picture of the switch is found here and the 2 outside wires are jumped ya its blurry but you get the plug size etc... http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1228376&postcount=85

The reverse lights require you have a manual because I can't remember which wires I used (I have a maunal) There is a switch ontop of the trans near the front of the car by your intake side. It has a small ball inside and when you shift to reverse it pushes this ball upwards completing the circuit. So power one side of this and then take the other side off to your reverse lights. When you shift the switch closes makes the circuit and your golden.

 

[Jtromb522]

This is pretty easy guys.

The large plug that was plugged into the linkage ontop of your auto trans is what is causing the problem of the no start unless you screwed something else up. The picture of the switch is found here and the 2 outside wires are jumped ya its blurry but you get the plug size etc... http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1228376&postcount=85

The reverse lights require you have a manual because I can't remember which wires I used (I have a maunal) There is a switch ontop of the trans near the front of the car by your intake side. It has a small ball inside and when you shift to reverse it pushes this ball upwards completing the circuit. So power one side of this and then take the other side off to your reverse lights. When you shift the switch closes makes the circuit and your golden.

Thanks for your help. So does the little diagram I made up match the wire colors of your swithc? Would you happen to know the colors of the two wires you jumped? I talked with a Mitsubishi tech and he told me to be careful because the wire arrangement on the 95 inhibitor is different than that of the 97. Could you take a picture of the wiring side of the inhibitor switch?

Also, did you disconnect the clutch sensor so that you can start the car without pressing the clutch down? Did you have to do any other wiring for this?

Finally, as for the reverse lights I hear you can jump right into the inhibitor by grounding one side of the reverse light sensor to the same ground you use for the starter jump and then the other side goes to the reverse lights in the harness....do you know what color wire it is?

Thanks!

 

[hellotbone]

Thanks for your help. So does the little diagram I made up match the wire colors of your swithc? Would you happen to know the colors of the two wires you jumped? I talked with a Mitsubishi tech and he told me to be careful because the wire arrangement on the 95 inhibitor is different than that of the 97. Could you take a picture of the wiring side of the inhibitor switch?

Also, did you disconnect the clutch sensor so that you can start the car without pressing the clutch down? Did you have to do any other wiring for this?

Finally, as for the reverse lights I hear you can jump right into the inhibitor by grounding one side of the reverse light sensor to the same ground you use for the starter jump and then the other side goes to the reverse lights in the harness....do you know what color wire it is?

Thanks!

I dunno on the wire colors and its burried in my car under the intake manifold so unless I am working on it again I cannot tell you. And I don't want to go digging for it.

The clutch does not have to be depressed in my car to start it I was thinking of using the switch on top of the peddle to control the jumper wire but I just never bothered.

As for the reverse lights I did it the way I did I don't know about grounding stuff etc to make it work I just made it work.

 

[Jtromb522]

I dunno on the wire colors and its burried in my car under the intake manifold so unless I am working on it again I cannot tell you. And I don't want to go digging for it.

The clutch does not have to be depressed in my car to start it I was thinking of using the switch on top of the peddle to control the jumper wire but I just never bothered.

As for the reverse lights I did it the way I did I don't know about grounding stuff etc to make it work I just made it work.

So according to my diagram, you basically jumped the Blk/Red Stripe (supposedly coming from the starter relay) with the thicker Red/Blu stripe. I will try and trace the Red/Blue wire tonight to see where it goes. Now is the wire you are jumping to the wire that is supposed to run to the starter itself, the single wire that get's clipped on?

 

[baracuda645]

A dealership tec told me that you need to jumper the (small) black with red stripe (silver dash) to the wire next to it. That sould be (small) black with the silver dash. Hellotbone's jumper is differnt than mine, due to different years, you should contact kwkdsm he just finish his conversion with the same year car. He could probably tell you the colors are for your year.

The wires that runs right to your starter should be black with a yellow stripe on either year.

The color wires going to your reverse lights should be light blue with a red stripe and silver dashes (in my year). You can find that wire at the inhibitor. I did the same thing as hellotbone, just made it work.

 

[Jtromb522]

A dealership tec told me that you need to jumper the (small) black with red stripe (silver dash) to the wire next to it. That sould be (small) black with the silver dash. Hellotbone's jumper is differnt than mine, due to different years, you should contact kwkdsm he just finish his conversion with the same year car. He could probably tell you the colors are for your year.

The wires that runs right to your starter should be black with a yellow stripe on either year.

The color wires going to your reverse lights should be light blue with a red stripe and silver dashes (in my year). You can find that wire at the inhibitor. I did the same thing as hellotbone, just made it work.

I see the two wires that you mention, they are the right two wires in the middle row. I am thinking yours (98) and mine (97) should be the same but then again you never know. Is you harness easily accessible? Would you be able to take a picture for me?

Also, sp you jumped one wire from the reverse light sensor to the light blue wire with the red stripe and then what did you do with the other wire on the reverse light sensor? Could you take any pics? I'd really really really appreciate it!

HHAHAHA "just made it work".....I don't want to burn out any fuses or relays....just trying to make sure ya know?

THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP GUYS!!!

 

[Jtromb522]

Also, didn't kwkdsm convert a 95 and not a 97?

 

[Jtromb522]

And another thing hahaha did you use your automatic ECU or the manual ECU? I've read that they are the same, is this true? I only have the automatic one so I don't know if I am in trouble or not haha

 

[hellotbone]

The ECU's are the same don't worry your good. Just unplug the TCU when the swap is done before startup to avoid codes.

 

[Jtromb522]

The ECU's are the same don't worry your good. Just unplug the TCU when the swap is done before startup to avoid codes.

Awesome, thanks! I am going to Mitsubishi today or tomorrow and working with a tech to get a diagram of what each of the 11 wires in the inhibitor switch does. I will post info as soon as I get it

 

[baracuda645]

I see the two wires that you mention, they are the right two wires in the middle row. I am thinking yours (98) and mine (97) should be the same but then again you never know. Is you harness easily accessible? Would you be able to take a picture for me?

Sorry, not sure why but i had it in my head that yours was a 95 but ours should be the same wire color. I cant take a picture cause a friend dropped my camera. Not working so well right now.

I have burned a couple of fuses, but no relays!

My reverse switch has only 2 wires. The other wire you have is probably an additional ground wire. I might be wrong about that, thats something i would check. Both computer will work in the car. I have tried both and they both work fine, no codes.

if someone could throw me some rep points as well, i'd be greatful

 

[kwkdsm]

A dealership tec told me that you need to jumper the (small) black with red stripe (silver dash) to the wire next to it. That sould be (small) black with the silver dash. Hellotbone's jumper is differnt than mine, due to different years, you should contact kwkdsm he just finish his conversion with the same year car. He could probably tell you the colors are for your year.

The wires that runs right to your starter should be black with a yellow stripe on either year.

The color wires going to your reverse lights should be light blue with a red stripe and silver dashes (in my year). You can find that wire at the inhibitor. I did the same thing as hellotbone, just made it work.

My car was the same as far as the jumper goes for starting it. Mine and hellotbone's wire colrs and location didnt match up for some reason, maybe difference in year , not sure, I just know the wires I jumpered to allow the car to start are not the same as the ones he has shown in the pic. So you may have to do a little research to see whats going on.

Hope that helps, I also sent you a pm

 

[Jtromb522]

My car was the same as far as the jumper goes for starting it. Mine and hellotbone's wire colrs and location didnt match up for some reason, maybe difference in year , not sure, I just know the wires I jumpered to allow the car to start are not the same as the ones he has shown in the pic. So you may have to do a little research to see whats going on.

Hope that helps, I also sent you a pm

So you jumped #'s 5 and 6 for the starter:

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1.[Blk/Yel Stripe] 2.[Blu/Red Stripe] 3.[Red/Blu Stripe] 4.[Empty]

5.[Blk/Red Stripe] 6.[Solid Blk] 7.[Big Blk/Whi Stripe] 8.[Big Red/Blu Stripe]

9.[Whi/Blk Stripe] 10.[Yel/Blk Stripe] 11.[Solid Yel] 12.[Yel /Red Stripe]
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What did you do for the reverse lights? The reverse light switch on the trans has two contacts...so I connected a wire to each and will jump them to two wires on the inhibitor harness...which ones?

THANKS!

 

[baracuda645]

So you jumped #'s 5 and 6 for the starter

Thats the jumper I used. Your right, the jumper for mine and hellotbone are different. When i used the jumper he shown me, it had blown out a couple of fuses.

Reverse lights:
I used the number 2 but i forget the other jumper. I take a look tonight and tell you in the morning