Are COP's really worth the money?

[ziggys95tsi]

My coil pack has been bouncing around lately, and recently i had a cylinder die on me in the middle of the road so now I am considering doing a COP on my car but have heard mixed ideas about them. some good, some bad. I am just wondering if there were any statistical advantages to having a COP. ( One form buscher od dejon, not a home made on).

-IF you have a COP and are satisfied, or disatisfied please list what you have,
-and if you have wires and have gone form a COP, please list what you have and why you switched.

- hopefully yuo will all be able to help me out and help others in the future

 

[9awd4g63tsi2]

cop is better than traditional ignitions...hands down, case closed. It gets a charge to the plug over a shorter distance(meaning less charge loss), and because of this, it is more accurate at extreme revs. There may be some other bennies I don't know of as well.

 

[c4uldr0n]

COP cleans up your engine bay, and would be recommended for EXTREME horse power, probably 500-600whp+

 

[1qkfwd]

I love my COP setup cleaned up the engine compartment, no plug wires to have to deal with , when you do a plug change you know how the plugs can be a pain, just loosin all the plugs and pull out all four at once. If there where problems with cop setups why did some manufacter's put them on there cars instead of coil with wires? So they don't need to be installed on high horsepower setups.

 

[Dragon TalonTsi]

Okay, here is a question. With DSMlink, since some have to invert their CAS, how would that work since they have to switch plug wires around? What difference would it make for 95-96 or 97-99? I know there is some differences between those.

 

[nightspeed87]

If it were a little cheaper Id probably do COP just so I dont have to keep dealing with weak sparkplug wires falling apart and not wanting to come out but its a little expensive though. Im sure those having misfires and weak spark in the high rpms due to oil and or too much fuel coating the spark plugs see more benefit to the COP set up.
Especially if you spin your motor 8000 + rpms were the plug has to fire rapidly while maintaining a powerful spark.

 

[ziggys95tsi]

so if I were to buy one from say Dejon or Busher, i heard that you also need a CID or something like that from MSD?? what is it and is it neccessary?? since i have a 6 bolt swap i would have to get one for a 90-94 engine right?

 

[Splitpi]

You have to invert the CAS because the 96+ ECU expects the signal from the CAS in a manner that is 180 degrees from what the 95 ECU expects. Hence when using a 96+ CAS with a 95 ECU you must invert it. Unrelated to the firing order.

You also must rewire the firing order due to how the 95 ECU fires, which is different from the 96+.

So there are two seperate things that are involved in running DSMLink on 96+ cars.

 

[95tsiawd6blt]

if you really want to wind your motor, and make big power, dont go with cop. I have experienced them losing spark. i tried 3 different brands, and they all do the same thing. get some nice msd coils with some thick wires. its a world of difference. i would never waste my money on a cop, stock ignition setup is far better

 

[TALONTRAX]

I got a cop setup mostly for looks. I like the fact that it will require 0 maintenence, ever. No replacing wires ever again, & the direct shot of spark energy to the plugs without the resistance of the wires is a definate advantage . . .

 

[95tsiawd6blt]

they do have a tendencey to lose spark though. i have also seen 3 or 4 of them catch on fire. I dont even like to look at them anymore, i threw my buschur one in the garbage

 

[SuperStario]

they do have a tendencey to lose spark though. i have also seen 3 or 4 of them catch on fire. I dont even like to look at them anymore, i threw my buschur one in the garbage

wow!

 

[9awd4g63tsi2]

they do have a tendencey to lose spark though. i have also seen 3 or 4 of them catch on fire. I dont even like to look at them anymore, i threw my buschur one in the garbage

*sigh* I should have known there would be the inevitable nay-sayer . John shepard...drives the fastest awd dsm on the planet...runs in the 7's...uses COP-need I say more?

I don't know exactly what the problem was with your COP setup, but I am assuming it is in the 'setup'. Everyone running massive times uses COP. To say it is inferior to outdated wire tech is just misinformation.

 

[synthetek]

Okay, here is a question. With DSMlink, since some have to invert their CAS, how would that work since they have to switch plug wires around? What difference would it make for 95-96 or 97-99? I know there is some differences between those.

I have a COP & dsmlink you just have to swap the 2 trigger wires or buy a COP thats setup for 95-96

 

[95tsiawd6blt]

you think shepard runs a standard cop from the shelf? guess again. take a look at his cop, it is far more superior than the average cop you can buy. your best bet is to run a msd ignition box with the stock coil pack and ngk wires, it is a proven setup that works with 800+ hp dsms

 

[GSTeclipse]

you think shepard runs a standard cop from the shelf? guess again. take a look at his cop, it is far more superior than the average cop you can buy. your best bet is to run a msd ignition box with the stock coil pack and ngk wires, it is a proven setup that works with 800+ hp dsms

actually Shep runs a regular/average Buschur Racing coil on plug set up nothing

 

[DSM90AWD]

actually Shep runs a regular/average Buschur Racing coil on plug set up nothing

He also runs Methanol and a high CR so not a good example for the rest of us "mortals"

Stock coils will get you alot farther than you think, especially with the right plugs/gap

 

[chavez408]

Thats $340 out of your pocket

 

[GSTeclipse]

He also runs Methanol and a high CR so not a good example for the rest of us "mortals"

Stock coils will get you alot farther than you think, especially with the right plugs/gap

I know what he runs ...but saying his COP is special and is not yout regular cop setup is just not right !

His COP is a regular setup

 

[95tsiawd6blt]

how many times have you talked with shep? ever care to look at the wiring underneath his cop? Didnt think so... It is wired nothing like a off the shelf unit.

 

[GSTeclipse]

how many times have you talked with shep? ever care to look at the wiring underneath his cop? Didnt think so... It is wired nothing like a off the shelf unit.

huh ?...what does the wiring have to do with the Coil on plug setup ?

The wiring is from his MSD dis 2 ignition box which has nothing to do with the coils it only gives full power Capacitive Discharge sparks which increase the power of the coil on plugs since he is running Methanol fuel , and to help burn the fuel coming from the
10 x 1600 cc injectors and running 50+ PSI but it is very obvious what else you need when making that much power


But once again his coil on plug setup is a regular coil on plug from Buschur Racing

 

[Ludachris]

huh ?...what does the wiring have to do with the Coil on plug setup ?

The wiring is from his MSD dis 2 ignition box which has nothing to do with the coils it only gives full power Capacitive Discharge sparks which increase the power of the coil on plugs since he is running Methanol fuel , and to help burn the fuel coming from the
10 x 1600 cc injectors and running 50+ PSI but it is very obvious what else you need when making that much power


But once again his coil on plug setup is a regular coil on plug from Buschur Racing

Can you verify how you know for a fact it's a Buschur COP he's running?

Not that this has anything to do with whether the original poster would benefit or not from running a COP setup himself. Many factory cars are using coil on plug ignition systems these days. They don't all have problems. And if someone has I'd like to hear the details as to what happened - directly from those people who had them. That's assuming they know what failed on their system.

 

[GSTeclipse]

^sure can verify that for you and anyone else ...this is 1 ]

http://www.shepracing.com/racecar.php

scroll down to Fuel, Ignition, & Engine Management it will be the 3rd from the bottom

and not that being the only way ...and I think it was talked about on Buschur forums I will have to go see if I can find it again!

 

[95tsiawd6blt]

look at his car the next time u see him, make sure u ask him to show u underneath his cop. im done listening to ## nonsense since u have no idea what u are talking about

 

[GSTeclipse]

look at his car the next time u see him, make sure u ask him to show u underneath his cop. im done listening to ## nonsense since u have no idea what u are talking about

nah I am not worried about that ...he has nothing to hide just e-mail and ask him and find out for your self

since you are done do not reply than !