APG RS49T Turbonetics or SBR G50

[mitsuclipsegsx]

i have an evo 3 turbo w/ all supported mods, and i was looking at the rs495 and SBR G50, what do you guys think is better or are they basically the same.. just looking for some input

 

[project_tsi]

Im going to go w/ the Turbonetics RS49T from AGPturbo.com. Think of it this way, kinda the same turbo, but the turbonetics come polished for FREE and comes with Spearco's/Turbonetics 1 year no-hassle warranty even if used for racing. I dont think you can beat that with a heavy stick. And the hybrid style ex. turbine housing just looks literally "kick ass". and AGPturbo has them on sale for $699 right now compared to SBR's $800 or something. Heres some links for your reference though.

http://www.agpturbo.com/customer/product.php?productid=113&cat=&page=

http://slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=9&

http://slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=1293

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

Im going to go w/ the Turbonetics RS49T from AGPturbo.com. Think of it this way, kinda the same turbo, but the turbonetics come polished for FREE and comes with Spearco's/Turbonetics 1 year no-hassle warranty even if used for racing. I dont think you can beat that with a heavy stick. And the hybrid style ex. turbine housing just looks literally "kick ass". and AGPturbo has them on sale for $699 right now compared to SBR's $800 or something. Heres some links for your reference though.

http://www.agpturbo.com/customer/product.php?productid=113&cat=&page=

http://slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=9&

http://slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=1293

well the one from SBR is 699 too, the G50 but ur right the warranty on the AGP is great, looking at SBR one you can choose turbo inlet/outlet porting,APG does have option for that, unless its got it already...

 

[Steve93Talon]

Either your mod list needs updating, or you're not really ready to support a 50 trim. Have you run your car as it sits? What are your goals with it? If you're still on stock cams, you'll gain as much power by doing a set of FP2s than switching to a bigger turbo and keeping stock cams. Plus, you'll have faster spool-up, and the cams will only help even more when you do step up to a larger turbo.

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

Either your mod list needs updating, or you're not really ready to support a 50 trim. Have you run your car as it sits? What are your goals with it? If you're still on stock cams, you'll gain as much power by doing a set of FP2s than switching to a bigger turbo and keeping stock cams. Plus, you'll have faster spool-up, and the cams will only help even more when you do step up to a larger turbo.

why.... what in my mod list isnt good for for a 50 trim besides 650 cc injectors that i would need

ok so i just need cams....

 

[98eclipseRS]

project_tsi pretty muchs summed it all up in to one nice tidy package. I have a tnetics super 50 on my car and I have no complainst what so ever very nice turbo and just like project said it comes all bling bling status for free!

Either your mod list needs updating, or you're not really ready to support a 50 trim. Have you run your car as it sits? What are your goals with it? If you're still on stock cams, you'll gain as much power by doing a set of FP2s than switching to a bigger turbo and keeping stock cams. Plus, you'll have faster spool-up, and the cams will only help even more when you do step up to a larger turbo.

why would he not be able to suport a 50 trim, he'g got all the right fuel mods, exhaust, fmic, tunning, etc.... Second all he needs is larger injectors to run huge amounts of boost. No, adding cams will not net the same gains as a larger turbo, and no you will not have faster spool up by adding larger cams. The bigger the cam the farther your power band is moved up in the rev range. And lastly by adding cams to a smaller turbo your only removing usable power band by moving spool to later in the rpm band and by making your turbo run out of breath earlier because your engine can now use more air. Plenty of power can be made on stock cams.

 

[olmytsi]

I got the 49t and i am happy with it. Put down 300awhp at 20 psi, pump gas and a quick tune. Mods were 3inch exhaust, fuel, no afpr, and afc.

 

[Thomas91169]

i have a Evo3 16g right now and am looking to upgrade to the AGP RS60T. i was going to go with the RS49 but i want more headroom if i ever plan on upping the power. i also want a larger turbo cause it flows more air at 20psi. though i need to upgrade to a 255lph with a FPR and at least 680's, but i have DSMlink on the way. i will be waiting till next year for this huge step, ill more than likely do it after i smog it in january so i have 2 years of not worrying about it.

 

[Slowboy]

Im going to go w/ the Turbonetics RS49T from AGPturbo.com. Think of it this way, kinda the same turbo, but the turbonetics come polished for FREE and comes with Spearco's/Turbonetics 1 year no-hassle warranty even if used for racing. I dont think you can beat that with a heavy stick. And the hybrid style ex. turbine housing just looks literally "kick ass". and AGPturbo has them on sale for $699 right now compared to SBR's $800 or something. Heres some links for your reference though.

http://www.agpturbo.com/customer/product.php?productid=113&cat=&page=

http://slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=9&

http://slowboyracing.com/shop.php?sid=&cat=1293

Just for some clarification, here at SBR we do ue the Turbonetics big shaft 50 and 60 trim CHRA's for our G series turbos, we have for about 6 months now. The warranty is just unbeatable from Turbonetcis, and the product has proved itself to work very well.

The two main differences, we use our own cast turbine housing (has made 630 plus WHP with a 35R CHRA) and our own cast to4e compressor cover. This is why we do not use the Turbonetics polished cover.

If anyone would like the polished Turbonectics cover, we will also match the pricing.

MGH

 

[oldman]

The warranty is just unbeatable from Turbonetcis, and the product has proved itself to work very well.

The question is who do we go to for this 1yr no hassle warranty, you or Turbonetics?

 

[Slowboy]

The question is who do we go to for this 1yr no hassle warranty, you or Turbonetics?

I can only speak for SBR, however we would handle the warranty.

MGH

 

[oldman]

I can only speak for SBR, however we would handle the warranty.

MGH

The reason I asked is because there has been many claims in the past about SBR not honoring warranty on products that was manufactured by a different company, ie. RRE J-pipe on your 2g install kit, Magnus intake manifold.....etc. I'm glad to see you have made improvements to your policy. Just looking out for my fellow DSMers.

 

[Slowboy]

The reason I asked is because there has been many claims in the past about SBR not honoring warranty on products that was manufactured by a different company, ie. RRE J-pipe on your 2g install kit, Magnus intake manifold.....etc. I'm glad to see you have made improvements to your policy. Just looking out for my fellow DSMers.

I personally have heard way to much about RRE J pipes in our 2g install kits lately, and we have done our own now in house. That problem is taken care of! Keep in mind, we sell 40-50 of these kits a month, and it was hard for them to keep up which may have caused some QA problems for them, 99% of them are problem free.

Magnus, never had issues with what so ever. Any problems I have heard of we have either taken care of here, or Magnus has sent new product. If you know something I do not know, please email me off list at [email protected] or [email protected]

MGH

 

[project_tsi]

The two main differences, we use our own cast turbine housing (has made 630 plus WHP with a 35R CHRA) and our own cast to4e compressor cover. This is why we do not use the Turbonetics polished cover.
MGH

Ok so is your own cast housings any better than the t-netics? I mean, theres got to be a reason to use your own housing over the polished t-netics or do you use it just for a lower price? Thanks.

 

[Slowboy]

Ok so is your own cast housings any better than the t-netics? I mean, theres got to be a reason to use your own housing over the polished t-netics or do you use it just for a lower price? Thanks.

Our cast compressor cover is slightly larger that the t-netics, which has its pro's and cons... it does not fit well on a DSM without our cast manifold. However on t3/t4 applications, it works great.

Yes, once you have tooling paid for, our cast compressor cover would also save us $ over t-netics.

MGH

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

Our cast compressor cover is slightly larger that the t-netics, which has its pro's and cons... it does not fit well on a DSM without our cast manifold. However on t3/t4 applications, it works great.

Yes, once you have tooling paid for, our cast compressor cover would also save us $ over t-netics.

MGH

cast manifold???is the SBR/evo manifold cast?

 

[project_tsi]

cast manifold???is the SBR/evo manifold cast?

Yes, the SBR and EVO manifolds are a cast piece.

OK Slowboy, I DO have your SBR Manifold, so thats good news for me. What other pro's/con's would the G50's larger cover have against the t-netics. Thanks again.

 

[Thomas91169]

I heard 60-1s and 60 trims are a bad idea on stock motor, just a heads up. Unless of course you want a big turbo and only run 18 psi

you read my mind. i was planning on doubling the airflow over the 16g but staying at 20psi.

then later down the road forged pistons/rods.

my buddy had a E16G and we had the same mods basically. we would race and always be neck and neck. he moved up to a FP58(some crazy weird frankenturbo) that had double the flow of a evo16g at only 18psi. we raced on the freeway and he took off on me like i wasnt moving. almost as bad as the AMS Evo rapes other cars. thats what it looked like. after that, i knew i was done with little MHI turbo's for top end.

 

[Slowboy]

Yes, the SBR and EVO manifolds are a cast piece.

OK Slowboy, I DO have your SBR Manifold, so thats good news for me. What other pro's/con's would the G50's larger cover have against the t-netics. Thanks again.

At this point you are talking VERY subltle differences, maybe a few more lb/ft of air at best at high boost pressure.

MGH

 

[Steve93Talon]

why would he not be able to suport a 50 trim, he'g got all the right fuel mods, exhaust, fmic, tunning, etc.... Second all he needs is larger injectors to run huge amounts of boost. No, adding cams will not net the same gains as a larger turbo, and no you will not have faster spool up by adding larger cams. The bigger the cam the farther your power band is moved up in the rev range. And lastly by adding cams to a smaller turbo your only removing usable power band by moving spool to later in the rpm band and by making your turbo run out of breath earlier because your engine can now use more air. Plenty of power can be made on stock cams.

Are you speaking from experience or just hearsay/misinformation? I've run a 50 trim (green) on stock cams, and I've run a 16g with cams. The 16g spooled faster and pulled just as well up top. It was a much better street setup.

 

[bfdahl]

WTF Awsome de-railment

anyway i just bought a AGP 49, I hope it dosnt suck!

 

[Omega]

Get the AGP. Since there is little difference in price they are the way to go.

BTW, i'm back. Email or call me about those questions.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

bringing this thread back because I chose the SBR G50 over the RS49T for 3 reasons.

first, it was because AGP turbo told me it would take 3 weeks to get the turbo to me. Since my car is a daily driver, I could NOT wait that long.

second, after I called 5 different vendors that offered 50 trims, I looked to SBR for a solution. I've dealt with them for my e316G and now my G50. Matt was a good guy and didn't get pissed at all when i called over 5 times in 2 hours [haha]. He put together my order [G50 with everything to install] for about 1k shipped. Matt also promised to do something for me because of something mentioned on this thread . GREAT guy and I'll have everything by the end of the week and will report back.

third, This was in the past and I feel that people should also know about my experience. About a year ago I ordered a used 16G from a guy on DSMtuners.. the turbo came with shaft play and a bunch of other problems [broken bolts,etc.] So i went ahead and talked to Mike Huml himself and he told me that it would take about 7-10 days to get it to me [this is when the e316G was hot]. I told him that my car is a DD and that I NEEDED the turbo as soon as possible. Needless to say, MH sent my turbo to me and I received it 4 business days after I called him. Turbo ran great and the install kit was great.

Mike- I'll e-mail you later when I have time, but if you get to this thread before then.. How will a warranty be handled? I asked Matt about "what if's" and he told me that if it's within "a couple months" you guys will take care of it... he also told me 7-12 months from now, SBR will not be able to do anything. Any comments?

 

[Slowboy]

bringing this thread back because I chose the SBR G50 over the RS49T for 3 reasons.

first, it was because AGP turbo told me it would take 3 weeks to get the turbo to me. Since my car is a daily driver, I could NOT wait that long.

second, after I called 5 different vendors that offered 50 trims, I looked to SBR for a solution. I've dealt with them for my e316G and now my G50. Matt was a good guy and didn't get pissed at all when i called over 5 times in 2 hours [haha]. He put together my order [G50 with everything to install] for about 1k shipped. Matt also promised to do something for me because of something mentioned on this thread . GREAT guy and I'll have everything by the end of the week and will report back.

third, This was in the past and I feel that people should also know about my experience. About a year ago I ordered a used 16G from a guy on DSMtuners.. the turbo came with shaft play and a bunch of other problems [broken bolts,etc.] So i went ahead and talked to Mike Huml himself and he told me that it would take about 7-10 days to get it to me [this is when the e316G was hot]. I told him that my car is a DD and that I NEEDED the turbo as soon as possible. Needless to say, MH sent my turbo to me and I received it 4 business days after I called him. Turbo ran great and the install kit was great.

Mike- I'll e-mail you later when I have time, but if you get to this thread before then.. How will a warranty be handled? I asked Matt about "what if's" and he told me that if it's within "a couple months" you guys will take care of it... he also told me 7-12 months from now, SBR will not be able to do anything. Any comments?

Since Turbonetics warranties the CHRA for 12 months, that part would fall on them (however the part can be sent to us for assembly).

Turbine housing and compressor cover are cast by ourselves, we would warranty these parts.

Hopefully this helps!

MGH

 

[Laguna739]

are the RS60T and RS49t direct bolt ons, assuming you pay the extra money for a internal gate. I mean will they hook up with my stock exhaust mani and o2 sensor housing?