6g72dett into 2nd gen eclipse

[cait sith]

Why is this still in the "XTREME" forum?

 

[DSMraver]

I have seen a 6g72 FWD. It had a 3g's V6, in the FWD body, so at least the *motor* will fit. As for the TT version, and the AWD trans, who knows.

Does anyone know if the DSM rear-end is compatable with the 6sp? That would be a neat project. Mounting the motor/trans would be easy, that's not hard, it's making sure it FITS that's the issue.

The wiring wouldn't be bad either, especially if you used a standalone (or a stock ECU and VPC), which would be preferrable if you're going this far already.

Weight distrobution would suffer though, as I can't imagine the v6+6sp not weighing more than the 4g63+awd.

 

[smokehouse_83]

There is no way the Starion is lighter then the 1g TEL but putting the 6g72 in the starion is a good idea it would be alot easier then putting it in the TEL. All you would have to do is make motor mounts and make an adapter for the tranny. What do you think a 1000 horsepower starion would drive like? I wonder if the 6g72 would bolt up to the same tranny they use for starion 4g63 swap?

Drew

 

[zac83]

everyone told me swapping my 93 awd auto to awd 5 speed wasnt worth it. it cost me 600 bucks (300 of which i made back 450...) so i basicly spent a week and 150 bucks making it work...

even tho i got negative replies on any ?s i asked about doing this, it turned out to be fun, easy, quick, and cheap.

so what im saying is, if youve got a GOOD welder and a cutting torch, chop saw, alot of solder and all the parts, JUST DO IT... im sure you could get the 3kgt/stealth rear end under a 2 g with some ingenuity and im sure you could fit the motor in there somehow or another. worst case you get to put a 'doghouse' in your cockpit (think about the old chevy vans where you sat next to the engine...) or you might have to change up your A-arm setup for the front.

You'll need some interesting driveshafts for both front and rear. custom mounts, soldering/wiring experties, a place to work and keep the car for more than a few weeks. and of course you'll need a daily driver because that thing will be breaking down every 10 minutes on you.

good luck and JUST get after it, everyone will hush up when you show them pictures the engine bolted in.

 

[Tevenor]

Please use correct grammar and sentence structure when you post here. If the next post is not considerably better, it will be deleted.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by Tevenor
Please use correct grammar and sentence structure when you post here. If the next post is not considerably better, it will be deleted.

Or you could just tell him "Thank you", for sharing his personal experience and advice... I hate to say it but he's contributed more useful and relevant information towards the topic then you have.

 

[98TsiAWD]

I think it COULD be possible. As far as gettin the engine into the bay. But the AWD system/tranny might be a probem as nothing will line up properly.
The 95-99 Avenger/Sebrings share the same block as the 3000gt's and they can be bolted inot those. Now we all know that the Avenger/eclipse are VERY similar. The avenger is just basically a little longer. Did you know you can put eclipse fenders, hood, front bumper, headlights, upper radiator support onto an Avenger complete bolt on... And vise versa.
Someone did swap one of these into an avenger and had to cut into the firewall to make enought clearance for the engine. Keep in mind the Avenger has about 2" more room from the firwall to the radiator that a 2g does. So gettin it to fit into a 2g I belive would require Avenger fenders, hood, headlights, bumper, and upper radiator support. Now I think this would be VERY possible to do in a FWD application. The chrysler A604 MIGHT bolt up to the 3.0 TT engine with a few modifications. The 3.0 caravans also share the same block with the 3000gt engine.
Just some food for thought...

 

[98TsiAWD]

Originally posted by GalantVR41062
Or just by a 3/S, the last I read the fastest 6g72 runs a 10.3@130... and the fastest dsm runs 8.87@153 (both unibody still) I dont think the swap is worth while. And the money to mount the rear H frame after you cut all the suspension mounts and chassie bracing(because its in the way) off you FWD are you going to tube frame the back half so the car stays to gether, and then mounting the rear frame somewhat square would be hard enough, then the front of the car, I think it would be to tight of a fit with the 6g72, and the FWD has no front H frame ither(I have seen it nothing like the AWD or 3/S), so you would be cutting and welding in more tube chassie material to get the 3/S motor tranny H-frame in there. Then the wireing harness and ECU to run the motor, shifter cables, fuel lines, cooling compacity(of the dsm) ICs and piping, then with the H-frame your going to have to install the Lower control arms, stearing rack, knucles, breaks, shocks, propeller shaft, clutch master and slave cylender. The list goes on and on and on. WHY? for not even 1/4 of the price you can get a nice 3/S and if you have the motor, tranny, drive train, suspention, shifter cables, ecu, wirering harness, etc, you could buy a 3/S shell. $$$$ you must have a lot to burn for no other reason besides you can, if thats the case [email protected] I will give you a quote on pricing and time involved.

~soon to be 3/12ish/03
www.LSE-Performance.com

Yes the fastest 4g63 DSM is faster than the Faster 6g72 3000GT. But a 3000GT wieghs ALOT more.
And also keep in mind that some members on 3si.org are figuring out how to Stoke the 3.0 to 4.1 liter!!!!! You could push one HUGE turbo wiht that, or a couple moderate sized turbos. I think the 4.1 stroker might push some serious numbers...I thinkin they may own the supra engine.

 

[Tevenor]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown


Or you could just tell him "Thank you", for sharing his personal experience and advice... I hate to say it but he's contributed more useful and relevant information towards the topic then you have.

When did you become his holy crusader? My job here is 2 fold. a) Provide relavant information when I can and b) moderate this forum so that intelligent thought out discussions can me made and available to all. Ever think why this forum is essentially free of 'noob' questions? Let me give you a hint: It isn't because they all read the rules of the forum. Hell zac can't even follow the rules and he has, as you so eloquently put it, "contributed more useful and relevant information towards the topic" than I have.

Here is another tidbit of information for you, if I didn't recognize the contribution he was making, I would have just deleted the post in its entirely. No mess. No fuss. Instead, I left the post and simply reminded him to correct the grammer and spelling next time.

If you feel the need to discuss this more in private, feel free to PM.

 

[RabidDonkeyBoy]

AKAIK the only V6 that will fit in a 2G frame is the 2.5L V6 that the avenger uses which is the same frame as the 2Gs.

www.asog.net has a person on there that did a TT 2.5L avenger, though you'll not want to find out how much money he has wasted on the project and the meager results he has gotten for his 100% custom setup....

there was pics posted back here or on dsmtalk of what appeared to be either a 3G sohc V6 or the 2.5L V6 stuffed into a eclit. though it may have just been an avenger with an eclipse front end conversion...

 

[98TsiAWD]

Originally posted by RabidDonkeyBoy
AKAIK the only V6 that will fit in a 2G frame is the 2.5L V6 that the avenger uses which is the same frame as the 2Gs.

www.asog.net has a person on there that did a TT 2.5L avenger, though you'll not want to find out how much money he has wasted on the project and the meager results he has gotten for his 100% custom setup....

there was pics posted back here or on dsmtalk of what appeared to be either a 3G sohc V6 or the 2.5L V6 stuffed into a eclit. though it may have just been an avenger with an eclipse front end conversion...

That was a red 2g eclipse with a 2.5 V6 from an avenger in it. It was sold on ebay. On that note, the 3.0 and 3.5 liter block will bolt into an Avenger/Sebring so I donot see any reason why you could not get one into a 2g using some parts from an avenger.

 

[niterydr]

1)my only question...why the hell is this in the advanced tuner forum? Its never been done to the tune its being asked about (6 speed, awd, 2g shell), so why is it here?
2)3s are approx 500-800lbs more than a dsm..thats not that much weight, only 200-300lbs heavier than a supra.
3)sounds like fun, im sure it will eventually end up as a heavily penalized, tube drag car, sponsered by some shop, and probably run 9's due to serious traction issues .
good luck with the swap, post back when its done.

 

[Cody Morris]

What about a FWD situation, such as a 99' and up Galant V6 3.0L into a TG? It is FWD, and outta fit right in, so is it feasible to be a better engine, since your curb weight is about the same, but with a stronger engine if fixed up and possibly even twin-turboed. Now I'm not the "all-knowledgable one" when it comes to involving crazy stuff, other than with my NT to turbo conversion Talon project (which is almost done!). But I am willing to take on this swap, since I have the cars available, and the engine available for a swap, along with some extra cash. It seems all the conversation of swapping in this forum has brought up interesting points, and I agree with the originality factor, plus you have a lot of fun doing the job, espicially with a final working product. I enjoy street credit. Sure you sometimes drop a crap load of money into your projects, but if someone wants to tackle a unheard of project, more power to them... When I started my NT to turbo conversion, and asked questions on these forums, I got a lot of "cheaper to buy a turbo one". I am now up to $6k+ invested since I got the car for $300.00 last year, but it is not even a stock swap like intended anymore. I also have a car that not to many street racers can even talk to me about, because they get lost. Seems like this "bla'd bla'd on" but just my two cents. Let me know what you guys might know about that Galant-to-1G Eclipse swap. Thanks, Cody.

 

[MustGoFaster020]

Well as far as the rear end is concerned the 91 3/S has a ratio of 3.545 and the 1GMT and 2GMT both have a ratio of 3.545. So the tranny and rear diff are compatible assuming they kept the same ratio on the 3/S for all of the years. Now, the problem of getting the power back there, I will leave that up to who ever does this.

 

[Tevenor]

Originally posted by niterydr
1)my only question...why the hell is this in the advanced tuner forum? Its never been done to the tune its being asked about (6 speed, awd, 2g shell), so why is it here?

The basic concept was to probe to see if anyone is currently or has done this. Unfortunately, it turned into another bench tuner thread.

Closed.