56 trim to4s????

[thisdsm]

ok guys, I need help. Im looking to buy an AGP kit I found on trader. Anyways here are the specs:
COMPLETE AGP T3/T4 GT40 56trim kit. By kit i mean a COMPLETE turbo kit replacement for those cracked & rusted mitsubishi setups. Kit includes a SFP(South Florida Performance) T3/T4 tubular exhaust manifold, Polished Tial 38mm external wastegate, 2" external dumptube w/ heat wrap, AGP custom built Garrett GT40 56trim w/ a T350(GT37) wheel in a .82 a/r exhaust housing, 2.5" 4bolt o2 housing(bolts to all mitsubishi flanged downpipes), -4an SS oil feed from oil housing, and HUGE AGP 3/4" oil drain kit. Turbo has a 3" inlet and 2" outlet To4S cover.

My goals are mid 11's, 400+hp on stock internals, (hopefully) pump gas. Will this turbo get me there? I've read/ researched a lot about 50 trims, 60-1, 60trims, but I have no idea/clue about the 56trim, especially since the turbo was custom built. When does the turbo hit full boost? how lbs/min can it flow? I've email him the same questions but hopefully I'll get a faster response on here. Im also looking for a turbo with really good top end power. So guys please tell me everything I need to know about this turbo. And this is going to be daily driven. Thanks!!!!

 

[Steve93Talon]

First off, a tubular manifold will crack long before your 2G manifold. Second, SFP manifolds are mild steel, and will rust right through their $2 high temp paint job. Third, a T04S is 4" in/2.5" out (T04E is 3"/2"). Fourth, a 56 trim is waaay big for your intended goals. a 50 trim would be plenty, a 60-1 is pushing it.

 

[guitarXgeek]

The 56 trim will not perform much better than the 50, if any at all. All the guys I know running 56 trims do not like the turbo, and it doesn't provide more power than the 50 trim.

 

[92TALONAWD]

The 56 trim will not perform much better than the 50, if any at all. All the guys I know running 56 trims do not like the turbo, and it doesn't provide more power than the 50 trim.

The 56 trim wheel is a great wheel, but it likes lots of boost (i.e. 34-38 psi) and most people do not run this high.

thisdsm - The 50 trim wheel will get you to your goals with the proper tuning and driving.

 

[guitarXgeek]

The 56 trim wheel is a great wheel, but it likes lots of boost (i.e. 34-38 psi) and most people do not run this high.

thisdsm - The 50 trim wheel will get you to your goals with the proper tuning and driving.

Yea, I guess that's what I was trying to convey. 34 psi is a bit too much for 99.9% of dsmers out there Which is also probably why the wheel never does all that well when people run boost in the low-mid 20s.

 

[f4st]

The 56 trim will not perform much better than the 50, if any at all. All the guys I know running 56 trims do not like the turbo, and it doesn't provide more power than the 50 trim.

how many people do you know making 550whp on a 50 trim? of course the 56 will provide more power. it is a pretty big turbo though, youre probably better off with a 50 or 60-1 unless you dont care about lag till upper 4k rpms

 

[guitarXgeek]

how many people do you know making 550whp on a 50 trim? of course the 56 will provide more power. it is a pretty big turbo though, youre probably better off with a 50 or 60-1 unless you dont care about lag till upper 4k rpms

Please, show me a dyno of a 56 trim making 550whp and I'll edit that statement

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Aks and you shall recivethe civic si has a PT-63 it has a 56 trim
I know in the dyno it say''s custom turbo but if you call them and aks it is a pt-63

The integra has a SC-63 and it too is a 56 trim 579@28 psi "look in shop cars"

all the rest of the car''s have a PT-67 except the 2g Rx-7 fc3s turbo 2

http://www.centralfloridaturbo.com/dynovideos.php

 

[f4st]

Please, show me a dyno of a 56 trim making 550whp and I'll edit that statement

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104753&page=1&pp=25
there are more than a few sc61 or gt35r making that kind of power.

 

[thisdsm]

ok well i got his email and it flows 65lbs/min, stage 5 wheel, he dynoed around 420hp @ 22psi if I remember correctly anyways I think that turbo is just too big for me right now, especially with that stage 5 wheel, im sure lag is a bi***. he told me he hit full boost at around 4200 rpms on a 2.0 (stage 3 head, cams, manifold, etc..) and he said on his 2.4l he hits full boost at 3800rpms. Thanks for the replies guys, I going to stick to a 50trim maybe the 3052.

 

[1998gst]

Why don't you go ahead and get the kit, sell the 56 trim since it isn't for you and use the money to buy a 50 trim to bolt up to it. I mean you will still have everything you need just with a turbo your going to like better. Don't listen to whatever his name was at the top saying that a tubular manifold will crack way before your cast 2g. Don't get me wrong we do have very good manifolds but better then a tubular. There is really only one manifold that I would rather have over a tubular and that is an original HKS cast for our cars. I myself have a SCM61(56 trim) inn my closet in my room. I am just waiting to get all of my supporting mods to bolt it up. Also with the right fuel and other supporting mods and a good tune by someone who knows what they are doing you can see full boost by 4400-4600 roms. Think about it thats really not that bad..... oh well I am not going to try to say anything else. I am just trying to tell you to keep it because I am a FWD and I love top end which is what this turbo will DEFINATELY do for me. Later,
-Mike

 

[CanadianTalon]

Please, show me a dyno of a 56 trim making 550whp and I'll edit that statement

http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=2032

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 wheel, TO4E Cover, 605 WHP at 27 PSI. 430 WHP at only 14 psi.

http://www.masetuning.com/Tunes/Jeff/Jeffdyno.jpg

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 wheel, TO4S Cover, 611 WHP at 27-28 psi.

http://www.masetuning.com/Tunes/JayAdams/Jaydyno.jpg

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 Wheel, TO4E Cover, 606 WHP at 27 psi. This car did over 500 whp on pump gas. Keep in mind all these hondas are limited to around 28 pounds of boost due to running a 3 bar MAP. With a 5 bar MAP this turbo is capable of even more power.

Does that sting a bit on the way down? I don't know why you think the 56 trim is a crappy turbo. I have a 50 trim on my car, and my buddy with a heavier 2G with a 56 trim beats the crap out of me when we both run at the same boost level, and spool up is damn similar. If I were buying a new turbo again I would never have bought the 50-trim, it would be the 56-trim/SC61 for sure.

 

[guitarXgeek]

http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=2032

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 wheel, TO4E Cover, 605 WHP at 27 PSI. 430 WHP at only 14 psi.

http://www.masetuning.com/Tunes/Jeff/Jeffdyno.jpg

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 wheel, TO4S Cover, 611 WHP at 27-28 psi.

http://www.masetuning.com/Tunes/JayAdams/Jaydyno.jpg

SC61, .63 A/R, Stage 5 Wheel, TO4E Cover, 606 WHP at 27 psi. This car did over 500 whp on pump gas. Keep in mind all these hondas are limited to around 28 pounds of boost due to running a 3 bar MAP. With a 5 bar MAP this turbo is capable of even more power.

Does that sting a bit on the way down? I don't know why you think the 56 trim is a crappy turbo. I have a 50 trim on my car, and my buddy with a heavier 2G with a 56 trim beats the crap out of me when we both run at the same boost level, and spool up is damn similar. If I were buying a new turbo again I would never have bought the 50-trim, it would be the 56-trim/SC61 for sure.

Well that's nice, but I never said it was a crappy turbo. I simply said that everyone that I know that has run a 56 trim did not like it. I also saw first hand that they didn't perform as well as you would probably expect. Plain and simple. Could something have been wrong with their setups? Crappy tuning? Sure, very possible, but I was not aware of it.

Take it for what it's worth, no need to be a jackass about it

 

[98talonAWD]

sounds to me like you need something like a 54 trim or a 52 trim turbo.. I.E.. check out SBR or FP or something like that. dont get yourself into a turbo that is way to big for you or that you wont spool on the 2.0L till 4800rpms. you only want 400hp, then get a turbo that is within 400hp. and if your a "big baller" go with a ball bearing turbo and you can get away with a slightly larger turbo with about the same lag.

It seems all too often people want a bigger turbo than they need... i STILL do not understand why.

 

[poorboyracing]

56 trim is a great turbo . If you have the right setup. One of my friend had one on is dsm. And he was able to run 10.99 at 30psi on pump gas . Before he went with a bigger turbo.