$465 later this is what I get...

[dsm'r sk1mp]

I would go balistic. That is absolutly repulsive. I got a head with bent valves you can have that would deffinitly do you more good then that.

Not a sales pitch, just sarcasm.

 

[2slow4utsi]

I would go balistic. That is absolutly repulsive. I got a head with bent valves you can have that would deffinitly do you more good then that.

Not a sales pitch, just sarcasm.

Yeah I am very displeased with the overall quality and effort or lack thereof. I am really hoping that the machinist fixes this problem and helps me out. I really don't deserve this, especially for the price.

 

[91stocker]

Maybe it wasn't finished and got shipped by accident?

 

[Airsign89]

2slow4utsi: As another michigander into dsm's, who is also getting machine work done to an engine and is lastly a short drive from you, I would highly appreciate who did this work. I would prefer you to PM me, as this seems like a sensitive subject in the community. I hope that everything works out for you in this nonsense situation, also are you part of the great lakes region forum, and are you planing on attending any spring events? Thanks man.

 

[2slow4utsi]

Maybe it wasn't finished and got shipped by accident?

You don't ship something by accident after receiving payment and telling the customer that the head is done and being shipped out following payment. Sorry if I'm coming off as an asshole.

2slow4utsi: As another michigander into dsm's, who is also getting machine work done to an engine and is lastly a short drive from you, I would highly appreciate who did this work. I would prefer you to PM me, as this seems like a sensitive subject in the community. I hope that everything works out for you in this nonsense situation, also are you part of the great lakes region forum, and are you planing on attending any spring events? Thanks man.

I will PM you but I will not disclose the machinist at fault. I am not a part of the Great Lakes Region on here and I will probably not attend any spring events if the head is not finished in time. My car has now been pushed back, if lucky, a month because of this.

 

[Airsign89]

2slow4utsi: Sorry to hear its gonna be that long of a wait, I am not interested in an individuals actual name, rather the name of the company that he/she works for, so I am not financially screwed, as it seems that you might have been. Join up with the great lakes crew, there are quite a few dsm people in the midwest. Are you a member of xceedspeed.com, I think I have seen a member's name that is very similar to yours? Thanks again.

 

[ed1380]

If it's graveyard I wouldn't even be surprised.

Just read this
http://www.dsmtuners.com/links/dsm-vendors-2/thedsmgraveyardcom-306/?ltr=T#posts

 

[2slow4utsi]

If it's graveyard I wouldn't even be surprised.

Just read this
TheDSMGraveyard.com - Directory

It is not them. Please don't play the guessing game guys. Just know that a fellow DSMer got screwed and I am trying to be as mature as possible with the situation at hand.

 

[hypergenesis]

If it's graveyard I wouldn't even be surprised.

Just read this
TheDSMGraveyard.com - Directory

Lol if it is I wouldn't be amazed, I have seen how many unhappy customers they have had its ridiculous.

 

[2slow4utsi]

2slow4utsi: Sorry to hear its gonna be that long of a wait, I am not interested in an individuals actual name, rather the name of the company that he/she works for, so I am not financially screwed, as it seems that you might have been. Join up with the great lakes crew, there are quite a few dsm people in the midwest. Are you a member of xceedspeed.com, I think I have seen a member's name that is very similar to yours? Thanks again.

I am on xceedspeed.com. Check your PM.

 

[Airsign89]

"If it's graveyard I wouldn't even be surprised"

It's kinda sad to hear that one of the most local shops to me( I also have SIM, and Shep), is one of the most bashed and disrespected shops in the community. While I have never personally purchased anything from them, it took me nearly three weeks of calling to even speak to someone...

 

[turboglenn]

Man, it's hard to believethat some one that is said to be a well known and respected member on here would do a half assed job. I'm gonna have to look athe portson one of my heads that are off and see if i canj find where some time was spent. Iwouldn't think anyone establishedand well known on here would purposely try and get over on another memberlike that. SO maybe i'm missing somethign in the bowl shape or something *shrugs*

It doesn't look promisingat all though from a first glance and the left over metal is a sad sigght as well.. Iwill say that even the best of us sometimes turn out a bad piece of work. The real deciding pointwill be if the guy that did the work will step up (not to say publicly) but at least to you and offer to either make things right or explain where the time (and money) were dispersed into the head.

I guess the most important thing one needs to ask before jumping too far on the "yuou got jacked wagon" is to ask what it was that you were supposedly buying?? was it just port work or was it said to be a "rebiuld" of sorts with just a clean-up on it?

can you elabrate on that aspect of this a little bit??

 

[2slow4utsi]

"If it's graveyard I wouldn't even be surprised"

It's kinda sad to hear that one of the most local shops to me( I also have SIM, and Shep), is one of the most bashed and disrespected shops in the community. While I have never personally purchased any from them, I took me nearly three weeks of calling to even speak to someone...

Don't turn this into a he said, she said and start bashing other vendors. I just wanted to show recent work on my cylinder head and I am going to give people a heads up if my problem is not resolved.

Man, it's hard to believethat some one that is said to be a well known and respected member on here would do a half assed job. I'm gonna have to look athe portson one of my heads that are off and see if i canj find where some time was spent. Iwouldn't think anyone establishedand well known on here would purposely try and get over on another memberlike that. SO maybe i'm missing somethign in the bowl shape or something *shrugs*

It doesn't look promisingat all though from a first glance and the left over metal is a sad sigght as well.. Iwill say that even the best of us sometimes turn out a bad piece of work. The real deciding pointwill be if the guy that did the work will step up (not to say publicly) but at least to you and offer to either make things right or explain where the time (and money) were dispersed into the head.

I guess the most important thing one needs to ask before jumping too far on the "yuou got jacked wagon" is to ask what it was that you were supposedly buying?? was it just port work or was it said to be a "rebiuld" of sorts with just a clean-up on it?

can you elabrate on that aspect of this a little bit??

Sure thing. I paid for a valve job to compensate for 1mm OS valves, CBN mill work and bowl port work. The bowl port work was $200 alone.

Regardless of what was done, you don't send someone a head in this kind of condition. Why the cam journals were blasted in the first place, why the metal shavings and mushroomed metal was left and why the bowl work looks so bad and the guides are already rusted I will never know.

Rest assured I will be taken care of or I will see if another shop can take care of me. Hopefully a machine shop will chime in and see if they can hook me up if my problem is not addressed by my current machinist.

 

[Airsign89]

Don't turn this into a he said, she said and start bashing other vendors. I just wanted to show recent work on my cylinder head and I am going to give people a heads up if my problem is not resolved.

2slow4utsi: I was not trying to turn this into a "he said, she said", rather I have in the past few years not heard anything positive about said vendor, I have no experience except for customer service, so again I don't know the work they do. Sorry for any confusion and I am not trying to start any sort of review of a company or its work, I am just interested in getting a quality shop that will do good work for me. Thanks.
Edit/ps, I sent you a text.

 

[ilco187]

Please wait for facts before you start that stuff. We aren't at the hair salon.

You must know alot about hair salons? and i didnt say a name did i? ive seen more reputable people do bad things. I was playing the game CLUE on the forums.

 

[silicosys4]

You must know alot about hair salons? and i didnt say a name did i? ive seen more reputable people do bad things. I was playing the game CLUE on the forums.

Troll.

 

[bryanwheat]

So they did the valve job for bigger valves without the valves? You would have to have the valve there to even know where your face is meeting the seat. Everything looks pretty fixable OTHER than the cam journals. That head is pretty much trash now. The metal around the chambers i can see why that might be there. If the machine shop is just doing the machine work often times they won't debur stuff like that. I've gotten them like that before when i just took a head in for a resurface.

 

[romeen]

Yeah I'm surprised the head didn't come with a 12 inch dildo to shove up my ass as well. All kidding aside, I hope this is resolved ASAP. I've spent far too much money to have this happen to me being as close as I am to finishing my car.

I usually don't get involved with the non-technical banter but I gotta say this had me cracking up! It truly sucks that this is what was returned to you but I commend you on maintaining a sense of humor. I hope it works out well for you.

 

[2slow4utsi]

I usually don't get involved with the non-technical banter but I gotta say this had me cracking up! It truly sucks that this is what was returned to you but I commend you on maintaining a sense of humor. I hope it works out well for you.

Lol! I guess you have to keep a sense of humor when you've spent so much time and energy on something and you're handed this in return.

The machinist told me he had valves there to check fitment and seating.

 

[bryanwheat]

You can see on the seats that they barely had any material taken off of them. It looks like they put the seat cutter in there and just freshened up the surface. If the seat is wide enough than it will be sealing on the very inside of the valve and the valve will sit higher in the seat than it is supposed to. As i said before, the head is pretty much useless with those sand blasted cam journals so nothing else really matters on it.

 

[2slow4utsi]

You can see on the seats that they barely had any material taken off of them. It looks like they put the seat cutter in there and just freshened up the surface. If the seat is wide enough than it will be sealing on the very inside of the valve and the valve will sit higher in the seat than it is supposed to. As i said before, the head is pretty much useless with those sand blasted cam journals so nothing else really matters on it.

I'm wondering if some 1200 grit would work on the cam journals.

 

[bryanwheat]

I'm wondering if some 1200 grit would work on the cam journals.

You could polish them up, but they are likely going to be out of round because there is actually material removed from the surface. If i have light scratches in them i will usually use 2000 to clean them up than a dremil with a cloth polishing wheel to get them to shine.

 

[2slow4utsi]

You could polish them up, but they are likely going to be out of round because there is actually material removed from the surface. If i have light scratches in them i will usually use 2000 to clean them up than a dremil with a cloth polishing wheel to get them to shine.

That's what I was wondering if they would be out of round cause I remember the machinist telling me that. He said if the cam journals are out of round then the head is no good. I am wondering if there is a way to get them to shine again and still use the head.

 

[FLASH1970]

Whether it's taken care of or not it'd be nice to know who did the work so everyone can stop guessing and possibly making other people/shops look bad who weren't even involved. If they resolve the issue for you, great. But how much more down time has this cost you? If someone else were to pay this person/ shop to do work and were on a tight schedule, and had this happen it could be very costly. I realize that people make mistakes. If a person/ shop accidently bores a block .030 over instead of .020 over, I can see that. Maybe they grabbed the wrong tool or wrote the wrong thing down. But I don't see how you can accidently pick up a head and carry it over to the sandblasting cabinet, put it in the cabinet, then proceed to blast cam journals, then think it was a good idea to do that and tell you your head is ready and ship it off. That might have been a run-on sentance but oh well. If someone who supposively knows what they are doing, goes off and sandblasts a head, I think we should know who did it. Sandblasting a head isn't a mistake. If they didn't know sandblasting a head would mess things up, then they shouldn't be rebuilding heads. Either that or they just don't care.

 

[99gst_racer]

I'm hoping this would not be the work of a certain Wise man on this forum. The only reason I mention it is because this person mentions doing the oil port mod on all the DSM heads he gets.

No, I'm sure it wasn't him. He doesn't surface heads on a belt sander. Lots of shops do the oil port mod now, so that's not really much of any indication of who did the work.