420a cams?? what do you recommend?

[bullettdsm]

Heck no, None taken... crap I was married to a Philippino / Italian woman for 10 yrs. before I called it quiets.
Now I have a great wife, but unfortunately, all my hair was already gone !

Bullet you have PM

Lol, this is even funnier if you consider what I was sorry about was the fact that I called you Ken, . So Ken's Philippino/Italian? Or is he a woman ?

Cool beans, I'll check the pm's

MB

 

[Delta Cam]

Neither, however, he has been known to whine from time to time about little stuff... .

 

[DSMGraveyardinc]

Here let me lead you a bit;

Follow this link like you are a 420a guy looking for 420a "stuff"

DSM Graveyard - Your #1 Source for DSM Parts!

Scroll down to the "frankenstein" short block at the bottom of the 420a page. Then click on it.

You will also see that there is a 2.0 engine block on that stand. As you read through the description etc., nowhere does it mention needing a 2.4 block. On the contrary, it only....here let me just post the description;

This is our New 420a Frankenstein Short Block for Turbo applications! This utilizes New OEM SRT-4 Pistons, Rings, and Connecting Rods to make your 420a hold upwards of 450HP! This is for Turbo Appliations ONLY, since this is a Lower Compression setup, which is what you need when running a turbo. SRT-4 Pistons are Drop Forged, and resemble the Evo 8/9 Piston, and the Rods are FORGED STEEL, compared to the powdered metal stock rods ( VERY WEAK). This is a great engine that will work with many applications out there, and will not break the bank!

420a engine is a 2.0 block. Heck, look at the related products that are listed off to the side on that page. Look at the "features' listed.

The "honest mistake" is running on too long. They are aware that the block is a 2.0 block and that they need 2.4 parts to build their "frankenstein" motor. Here let me quote an E-mail they sent to Mr Klein;

Hey Tim,

Well, to be honest, that motor is a standard 2.0 420a block. We will be doing some 2.4 stroker ideas here in the next few months, but until then, we are not. We could build you a 2.4 short block if you want, and then we can find you some 2.4 mounts, but we would be selling the kit as new parts. Also, we only have 2.0 blocks here, you would have to supply your own 2.4 core for us to build. Other than that, it should be easy,

Hope this helps!

Jon Walker

And yet they continue to advertise it. THAT is where I'm having the biggest problem with this.

I know I'm running a fine line with Graveyard being a sponsor and all, but I just can't let this ride. One of the main reasons I post on these sites is to help other people who haven't had the experience/knowledge in modding their cars. Part of that is pointing out when someone is not being forthright.

I have no sponsorship and I am beholding to no one. I try to be fair in my assessments and when I see someone not being forthright, I will continue to point it out.

MB

Hey everyone, its me, the guy we are all talking about .

As you can see, we are not the 420a experts yet!! We are building one now, which is the green on on the stand, with no pistons in it. We where told that the Srt-4 Piston was the piston to use if you wanted a strong rod/piston setup for a good price. We where told it fit, and everything would work correctly, so we made a listing. Now we are not trying to scramble everyone's eggs, we are just new to the 420a cross referencing on what fits what.

Bullet, we have a lot of respect for your car, and we are not trying to hose anyone. We appreciate the positive criticism, and we have fixed it.

On the 272 cams, like I stated to Bullet in our phone call, our supplier stated that this was the duration ( Must have been talking about the 4g cam, or I mis wrote it). We posted prices for cam grinds to show that we could get them made, and how much they where for. We did not post false specs, trying to pull a fast one, we where just told by the supplier that this was the grind. This is only a few weeks old, we got our first shipment last week, and they look terrific! We are adding many cams and specs to the site as we are going, ( and have time for) since we are building 2 sites at once, and I am the one who can edit the site, and build engines/ heads/ rods/ at the shop right now, so forgive us if we do not edit ASAP, we are slightly backed up in the shop.


Hope this helps,

Jon @ DSM Graveyard Inc.

 

[DSMGraveyardinc]

OH, and I am almost done with the Head! I will post a vid of the cams lobing when we get the thing started! About 1-2 weeks I am guessing. I will keep ya posted,
Jon

 

[Diamondrev]

sounds good. I was hoping the cams were good. Im interested in these. Hope they are not too good to be true. alot less then crowers.

 

[bullettdsm]

We where told that the Srt-4 Piston was the piston to use if you wanted a strong rod/piston setup for a good price. We where told it fit, and everything would work correctly, so we made a listing.
................. and we are not trying to hose anyone. We appreciate the positive criticism, and we have fixed it.

....and yet you still list the SRT-4 Frankenstein motor. DSM Graveyard - Your #1 Source for DSM Parts! . You are putting the cart before the horse. You really need to see if the horse can pull the cart before you give rides (which it can't)

Believe me, if my budddies on that Neon site get wind of this they will sign up just to....um....post. Then things can get kinda childish and goofy. What I really what to avoid. I'd rather have another supplier.

On the 272 cams....( Must have been talking about the 4g cam, or I mis wrote it).

Jon @ DSM Graveyard Inc.

Thanks for fixing that. The numbers Jon (the "other" Jon, ) posted make more sense. I would suggest a comparison dyno from stock cams to his cams, on the same set-up. That way people could see where the power differences are on the curve, as opposed to just saying a max number change.

Jon,

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for getting into the 420a parts............
I would ask that you just get your parts and testing completed first.

MB

All I ever asked (I love quoting myself );

MB

 

[DSM-ZERO]

im running custom Crower Cams and mine are only 264 duration and just under a half inch lift.....and thats a custom grind!!!

as far as i know there are no true 272 cams available for the 420a.

the biggest cams you can get for our 420a head come from DCR. But you have to call him and ask for them but be prepaird to pay an arm and a leg for them there not cheap at all

 

[Diamondrev]

....and yet you still list the SRT-4 Frankenstein motor. DSM Graveyard - Your #1 Source for DSM Parts! .

On the title it seems like he changed it from 2.0 to 2.4

 

[bullettdsm]

im running custom Crower Cams and mine are only 264 duration and just under a half inch lift.....and thats a custom grind!!!

Zero, give me your cams! I tried to get Dave at Crower to make me basically the numbers you have. He sent me 460ish lift with 330ish duration WTF Said that's the best he could do. I'm guessing that his cam guy must have been away or something, (or quit) because I couldn't get him to even understand what I was talking about when I was talking about the cam specs.

On the title it seems like he changed it from 2.0 to 2.4

Well, at least that's something. The descriptor doesn't mention it and the block shown is obviously not a 2.4 and it also would need a 2.4 crank (not to mention the motor mount alterations)........But at least he can reference the 2.4 in the title should someone want to buy it.

Kinda confusing but its a start,

MB

 

[DSM-ZERO]

WoW mark

Ya from what i know there cam guy dose not work there any more.....

the only choice we have left is DCR

 

[bullettdsm]

WoW mark

Ya from what i know there cam guy dose not work there any more.....

So....um, are you giving me your cams or not?

the only choice we have left is DCR

That's a pretty expensive choice.

PM me if your number changed. I gotta talk to you.

MB

 

[DSM-ZERO]

number sent
and

YES DCR cams are very expensive but there are bad a$$

 

[MORADO12]

### cams are those in turbobrick car...crower stage2 3/4 Race or forced induction cams??

 

[Fotowntalon]

for some reason that first word is censored so its kind of hard to see what you are asking. Are you asking what cam turbobric740 uses? If so he uses Crower Stage 2 N/A style, not the turbo grind

 

[Locke]

Properly spelled words usually avoid censorship.

 

[MORADO12]

thanks for the info Fotowntalon and sorry about that, i was about to order the stage2 turbo grind since in going turbo but ill get the N/A or should i get the turbo grind? does anyone know anything about comp cams stage 2 oreillys have them but they couldnt tellme anything bout those cams...

 

[Fotowntalon]

a lot of people are satisfied with the na cams, in fact bulletdsm uses the N/A version in his turbo. I haven't herd many reviews about the turbo grind, but then again i don't pay much attention to the turbo 420a's

 

[MORADO12]

thanks for the info Fotowntalon ima order those cams...

 

[PhilipMc]

I just have 2 questions. For one on the DSM Graveyard website they have full race cams for drag racing but it says heavy engine mods required. What are those mods? And they have a special cam stage 2 for forced induction. Whats the relation between cams and boost/turbo?

 

[That1Talon]

Where are you guys buying these cams from?

 

[codym]

Where is a good place to get those cams at a decent price.?

 

[Fotowntalon]

For the most part Race engineering normally has the best price on cams.
Race Engineering, Inc

 

[jordonbryant777]

i am really wanting to upgrade my cams since im starting building my 420a, so will the crower stage 2 cams work with a 420a that is completely stock?

 

[CODE4]

i am really wanting to upgrade my cams since im starting building my 420a, so will the crower stage 2 cams work with a 420a that is completely stock?

Yes it will work.

 

[eclipse420ags]

for a turbo I got the crower turbo grinds. I love em