420A 420a cam selection??

[racinmopar]

hey guys i've done some searching couldnt find the right answers.. so i have a 2g 420a n/a gonna do the valves due to bending a few when timming belt took a crap... so i wanna go with a diffrent cam set up and was wondering what cams to go with and wheres the best deal? im not planning on going turbo i just want some cams.. thanks guys

mods
cold air
msd
obx wires
iridium plugs
complete exhaust

gonna do
intake
throttle bodie

 

[LD25Delta9]

Get ya some Crower stage 1's. If you aren't going turbo they'll give you a better pull. Also check your head for warpage and check you block for it, too. You'll notice the benefit of of the cams if you do your throttle body first, as well. I'm going with a bigger build and in the end I'll have some Crower Stage 3's Look at either howell or CI, you might be able to find some at disturbing motorsports.
There you go hope it helps!

P.S. Get rid of the iridiums. They are junk for our car. Just get some stock NGK's. After repeated tests, they were found to hold up the best under all conditions.

 

[racinmopar]

is there a grind number for those cams? or a product umnber for it? thanks

 

[Locke]

Most people in the past were disappointed with the Crower 1's, and with as many people streeting Crower 2's happily, I suggest taking a look at those.

 

[bullettdsm]

Most people in the past were disappointed with the Crower 1's, and with as many people streeting Crower 2's happily, I suggest taking a look at those.

Da man with the plan Agreed.

MB

 

[racinmopar]

whats the grind on the stage 2's and whats the part #... do i need to upgrade springs and lifters?

 

[Locke]

Crower 2's are part # 64462-2

241/241 adv dur, 196/194 dur @0.050", 0.222"/0.224" lobe lift.

 

[racinmopar]

yeah i was on brian crower web site and didnt find any info for the 420a cams, wheres a good place to buy these cams? or i should say whos got the deals

 

[LD25Delta9]

Well... it always seems I get trumped by Locke....that's why he's the wiseman!
Look at CI or Howell. You're looking at spending in between 400 and 500. DMS has crane cams if that what you want.

 

[Fotowntalon]

Crower 64462-2 - Crower Performance Level 2 Camshafts

summit is a good store, i've bought a lot from there, they normally have quality products but I also found them cheaper here.

Crower 420A Cams for your Eagle 2G Eclipse-Talon from HorsepowerFreaks

I'm getting the stage 2 cams, just debating what place to buy em from atm =P.

 

[bullettdsm]

I like these guys. Good prices and good service;

Race Engineering

MB

 

[gudz519]

hey Bullet thanks for the link i know the cams are $389 but what is the second thing for $385 it confused me or can anyone else answer that

 

[racinmopar]

i was also wondering the same thing anyone tried the obx cams?

obx
Stage 1 Intake Camshaft - 242 duration, .354 lift with factory rockers
Stage 1 Exhaust Camshaft - 242 duration, .354 life with factory rockers

 

[kongo]

i wouldnt buy obx cams. I order my cams direct from crower call and get a discount.

 

[racinmopar]

i wouldnt buy obx cams. I order my cams direct from crower call and get a discount.

can i ask without being rude what kind of discount are we talking here? i was also serching and found a dsk cam i belive it was whats the scoop on these they seem real afforedable

 

[Locke]

yeah i was on brian crower web site and didnt find any info for the 420a cams, [...]

Thats because Brian Crower doesn't make cams for us. Crower (not BC) does.

 

[viper99]

hi guys ive heard great things aboutcrower stage 2,but just so everyonr knows NOPI.com Parts and Performance since 1966 is boasting performance cams for the 420a check this 248/248advance,204/[email protected] ,360/360 lift ok can anyone give me an opinion on these stage 2 cams thx ,,,viper

 

[bullettdsm]

hey Bullet thanks for the link i know the cams are $389 but what is the second thing for $385 it confused me or can anyone else answer that

The lower price is if you want to buy other parts. They give you a discount for a "kit";

Kit Price - requires minimum purchase any 2 of the following: piston set, rod set or crankshaft


SKU: CR-64462-2
Weight: 0.00
Price: $385.19

Viper post up a link to the cams. All I got on the link you posted was the general site.

MB

 

[Bones420]

Attention: Performance Customers & Enthusiast

It is with much regret and sadness, that we acknowledge the closing of Crane Cams. Crane Cams was a time honored competitor and pioneer in our industry. Crower Cams & Equipment Company and its Employees, acknowledge you will be greatly missed

Farewell.

On a personal note:
Harvey Crane you are a hero and a friend.

Direct from Crower.com

 

[racinmopar]

well if i was gonna go to a stage 2 cam i will upgrade my springs well for the fact like most dsm owners can keep thier foot out the throttle and i dont wanna float the valves wich type of spring should i go with and where to get them? thanks so far for the help guys

 

[Locke]

Springs are never a bad idea, although with the Crower 2's, I believe (and please, correct me if I am wrong, Mark, I do tend to forget specifics) Bullett ran them to ~8000rpm on the factory springs without floating the valves, just to prove it could safely be done.

If you are on a budget, and still want better springs, try using 4g63 factory springs.

Otherwise, Crower springs are generally sold anywhere their camshafts are sold.

 

[bullettdsm]

Springs are never a bad idea, although with the Crower 2's, I believe (and please, correct me if I am wrong, Mark, I do tend to forget specifics) Bullett ran them to ~8000rpm on the factory springs without floating the valves, just to prove it could safely be done.

If you are on a budget, and still want better springs, try using 4g63 factory springs.

Otherwise, Crower springs are generally sold anywhere their camshafts are sold.

'Tis true. The idea of valve float is pretty much a myth in most cases with our cars. Proven it multiple times on the dyno. Now a "radical" cam with high lift and agressive ramp speeds would require springs. But, IMO, the Crower 2 is not that radical.

The problem that does develop is valve spring "shake". There was a vid out for a little while, about a year back, that showed a single spring under power/rpm. You could see it shaking side to side. At any of our levels of power/rpm it won't matter. But the fix for this would actually be a "behive" style spring that will help keep the load centered. Kiggly does these for the 4g63's. He may even have that vid on his site. But I'm not sure that there are any springs for our application.

MB

 

[viper99]

I am truly sorry but it would seem that nopi will not let my links work ,however i have a part mfg #64462-2 or the nopi part #111+2152,this listing is on nopi website under camshafts and it is a crower page,so any intell someone can give on how bad ass or not they are, it says performance cams stage 2-3/4 never heard of that ,thx viper

 

[tegster1]

There are two different stage 2 cams. One is designed for turbo and the other is for whatever you want them to be for.


64462T-2
Stage 2 - Forced Induction Special
Designed specifically for Turbo/Supercharger appl.
Springs required.
RPM Range: 1500 to 7200+
238 / 236 187 / 184 .409" / .403"

64462-2
Stage 2 - 3/4 Race
Most popular profile for the street/strip.
Lope at idle.
#84176 required.
RPM Range: 2000 to 7500+
241 / 241 196 / 194 .388" / .357"

 

[viper99]

thx tegster1 for the intell,i am always ready to hear someones intell. or opinion,been doing so much reading on hear,trying to learn everything i can,thx ## friend viper